...taste?

Ask Musk; he's the one who claims that sensor fusion does not work.

Even without getting out of the vision sense there are features of vision Tesla doesn’t properly try to replicate. Depth perception for example (it does DP very differently to humans).

You also do use your ears when driving.

One-eyed people are allowed to drive.

What’s your point? I was answering a question, not making a statement about any disabilities.

My point is that "hardware" depth perception is not necessary for successful driving. Just one camera should be enough, rest is algorithms.

Eyes are not cameras they are extensions of the brain. That people can drive with one eye is not a "proof of concept" that cars should be able to drive with one camera. You'll need a human brain to go along with it. Unfortunately for Tesla, they seem to be short on supply of those at the moment.

So your assertion is that a human with access to arbitrarily good camera feeds could not drive a car at level 5? That something magical is happening because the eyes are close topographically to the brain? Sounds implausible.

How does the human consume the arbitrarily good camera feeds?

> Sounds implausible.

Musk just spent billions of dollars and the better part of a decade trying to prove the conjecture that "cameras are sufficient", and now he's waving the white flag. So however implausible it sounds, it's now more implausible than ever that cameras alone are sufficient.

> your assertion is that a human with access to arbitrarily good camera feeds could not drive a car at level 5?

No. I live in snow country. Folks with vestibular issues are advised to pull over in snowstorms because sometimes the only indication that you have perpendicular velocity and are approaching a slide off the road or spin is that sense. My Subaru has on more than one occasion noticed a car before I did based on radar.

Vision only was a neat bet. But it will cost Tesla first to market status generally and especially in cities, where regulators should have fair scepticism about a company openly trying to do self driving on the cheap.

Teslas definitely have accelerometers/gyros, and have access to the torque and RPM on every wheel. It has a much better picture of the 3D motion of the car relative to the road than any human driver.

Dynamics don't help when you are blinded by the sun or can't discern the broadside of a firetruck.

Cameras can clearly discern the broadside of a firetruck. Whether some earlier build didn't detect one doesn't change that firetrucks reflect plenty of photons to be detectable.

I'm consistently surprised by how immune to sun-blindness my car is. It regularly reads traffic lights that have the sun right next to them; I've never seen any discernible degradation due to too much light, too little light, or bad contrast of any kind.

You're just bringing up a never-ending stream of but-what-abouts, so I'm done refuting them after this. It's not a good use of my time.

Your personal experience with your car doesn't change that Tesla is waving the white flag due to the fact the sensor system Musk insisted on has caused deaths and is too unreliable to deliver full autonomy. The sun has confounded Tesla autonomy since its inception, and its shortcomings caused multiple decapitations: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-florida-acciden...

> You're just bringing up a never-ending stream of but-what-abouts

By "what abouts" you of course mean "shortcomings of camera-only systems that make them unsuitable for full autonomy."

> It's not a good use of my time.

No it's not, it's a losing battle, and Musk has admitted it. Camera-only systems will not enable full self driving. Y'all got scammed.

Deaf people can drive fine.

One eyed, deaf people can drive

Teslas have and use microphones.

Gp asked about specifically vision only approach. Vision only means no microphones, regardless of whether Tesla has any…

What is up with hn today? Was there a mass stroke?

“Vision-only” colloquially means no LIDAR and other expensive sensors, not the exclusion of microphones (which are hilariously cheap).

Binocular depth perception stops being useful somewhere around 10 meters. Your brain is mostly driving using the “computed” depth perception based on the flat image it’s getting. Same way Tesla is getting a depth map.

Provable by one-eyed people being able to drive just fine, as could you with one eye covered.

intuition?