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Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you agree even when off?

Found this confusing language in personal Gmail account update today.

The intro paragraph says "You agree to let Google Workspace use your Workspace content and activity to personalize your experience across Workspace". And only then they present with the options - whether to turn the special features on or off.

It reads like you're agreeing to the data use regardless of whether you actually enable the features. The detailed documentation suggests data is only used when features are enabled, but that opening sentence creates blanket consent language.

Is this intentionally misleading UX copy, or just sloppy writing that creates legal ambiguity?

( 21 comments | 8 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by pluc on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:17PM (#45117536)
Because they don't make money if you have decent privacy settings.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by lproven on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:11PM (#45117430)
Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

Sorry for the jab but I couldn't decode the question here.

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by IAmBroom on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:45PM (#45117903)
Ignore the downvotes. It wasn't a syntactic headline.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by MarkusQ on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:47PM (#45117924)
I had the same issue, which is somewhat ironic given the topic. Reading the body text and then revisiting the headline:

"Why does Google word their privacy settings in a way that makes it sound like you are agreeing to let them harvest your data regardless of which option you select?"

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by cwmoore on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @02:11PM (#45118810)
I understand it is confusing and obfuscated.

“Default on, or opt-out” is not news.

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by youngtaff on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:53AM (#45117213)
Based on other settings in Chrome, Android etc I think they’re written to be deliberately unclear

All these things will have been through a legal review so I don’t think it’s carelessness

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by watwut on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:57AM (#45117266)
So that you accidentally agree due to being confused. It was deliberately worded that way.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by bitwize on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @01:27PM (#45118378)
I'm reminded of video games where an NPC asks "Will you undertake this perilous quest?" or whatever, and the available responses are "Yes" and "Sure".
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by comprev on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @03:47PM (#45119725)
"Yes" or "Ask me again later" is a common Microsoft pattern. "No" is not even an option.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by bitwize on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:27PM (#45120594)
I get that when my work Mac wants to nag me about Apple Intelligence, which it does on every OS update.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by didgetmaster on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:12PM (#45153361)
And forget about ever hoping for a 'Never' option!
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by kotaKat on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @01:41PM (#45118515)
Because assault culture is alive and well at Google and they’d like to gaslight you into consent.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by tt349292 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @02:06PM (#45118771)
> Google began by unilaterally declaring that the world wide web was its to take for its search engine. Surveillance capitalism originated in a second declaration that claimed our private experience for its revenues that flow from telling and selling our fortunes to other businesses. In both cases, it took without asking

From "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" -- source https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/20/shoshana-..."

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by Havoc on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @03:03PM (#45119330)
At this stage I have no idea what Google is or isn't using for what purpose. Which presumably is the point.

Thankfully all my stuff is on own domains so will just move it to a more respectable provider

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by resfirestar on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @03:58PM (#45119808)
I can't see what you're talking about. In my account, in the General tab of Gmail settings on the web, under "Manage Workspace smart feature settings", I see a toggle for "Smart features in Google Workspace", followed by this paragraph:

>When you turn this setting on, you agree to let Google Workspace use your Workspace content and activity to personalize your experience across Workspace. Workspace includes apps for businesses and schools, such as Gmail, Chat, Meet, Drive, and more. To learn more, visit the Workspace website. Smart features include:

The setting for the listed features is above the "you agree to let Google Workspace use your Workspace content and activity to personalize your experience across Workspace" intro, not below. The setting below is for features in non-Workspace services.

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by matesz on Thursday September 04, 2025 @05:52AM (#45125451)
So this appeared in a popup upon login. I could either select on or off and click next or stop using the site.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by weare138 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:46PM (#45120735)
Google has a long history of using dark patterns in their privacy settings to mislead users. There's a reason all the privacy settings for Google products are in scattered locations and have vague and ambiguous descriptions as to exactly what data is being gathered.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by Aeglaecia on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @07:48PM (#45121673)
this is presenting a question as an imperative, a known hypnotism/manipulation technique. in other words google is taking an optional choice and masking it in a commanding voice - unless your brain is actively and consciously questioning the input it is recieving , it is liable to process the command without question , and unthinkingly answer 'yes'. almost like an SQL injection, in that data can be interpreted as logic. this makes my stomach turn.
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by snapplebobapple on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @07:50PM (#45121689)
Because they switched to being evil?
Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by ipaddr on Saturday September 06, 2025 @12:19AM (#45146575)
Why does Google require you to hook up a phone to reset your gmail password?

They want to trick/force you into doing something against your best interests.

Re:Ask HN: Why does Google word privacy settings like you ag... by e40 on Sunday September 07, 2025 @02:26PM (#45160855)
I cannot find this Workspace settings. Can you give me a URL? Thanks!

EDIT: a little confused. You talk about a personal gmail account, but then talk about Workspace, which is a paid service.