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Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by timr on Saturday August 30, 2025 @06:51PM (#45078679)
Even assuming that there were no other federal, state or local YoY differences [1] that could explain this change (and that the numbers are right as presented in the first place), New York City private sector employment is nothing like most other parts of the US: it's the largest city in the US by a large margin, it has a concentration of employment in a few major industries (finance, fashion, publishing, software) that aren't represented elsewhere, and...it hasn't been a manufacturing center since the victorian era.

You can't wave this away with "NYC is a leading indicator for the US economy". To the extent that it's true at all, you could say it about any large city in the US.

[1] Like, say: interest rates, the business cycle, AI, the slowdown in software hiring, or the minimum wage increase that NYC implemented on January 1, 2025.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by fn-mote on Saturday August 30, 2025 @06:58PM (#45078736)
This dismissal of a massive drop in hiring (literally 1.5% of the previous half year’s reported hiring) is wishful thinking.

“Ignore this data point, NYC is special.” Color me skeptical.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by timr on Saturday August 30, 2025 @07:00PM (#45078746)
I'm not ignoring it, but I’m not falling into a post hoc fallacy, either.

I'll put it this way: if I were ignoring it, I'd be ignoring one more data point than you are in cherry-picking a single example.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by lovemenot on Saturday August 30, 2025 @07:08PM (#45078803)
I'd be ignoring one more data point
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by timr on Saturday August 30, 2025 @07:09PM (#45078809)
whoops. fixed.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by apical_dendrite on Saturday August 30, 2025 @07:21PM (#45078886)
It's true that NYC private sector employment is different from the US labor market as a whole, but NYC private sector employment is better representative of what readers of this site care about than overall US employment. Readers are much more likely to be affected by changes in the professional services and information sectors than, say, agriculture.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by timr on Saturday August 30, 2025 @08:40PM (#45079313)
And again, even if you assume that all of that is true, you're still making a leap of logic that these changes are because of the tariffs.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by immibis on Saturday August 30, 2025 @10:06PM (#45079691)
What else changed?
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by timr on Sunday August 31, 2025 @01:21AM (#45080567)
I named several in my original comment.

The big, blinking, obvious YoY change for anyone here is tech employment.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by immibis on Sunday August 31, 2025 @11:19AM (#45083841)
As a result of tariffs
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by mensetmanusman on Sunday August 31, 2025 @05:23PM (#45087225)
No, that was R&D deduction changes.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by epistasis on Saturday August 30, 2025 @09:31PM (#45079534)
The agricultural section indicators are that there's about to be a big, expensive bailout for ag:

> “Right now, we have zero bushels of soybeans on the books with China for this fall harvest that has begun in the Deep South,” Ragland said. “Normally by this time, close to 40% of our sales for the marketing year are on the books. And with zero on the books right now, it is alarming for American soybean farmers.”

https://www.farmprogress.com/soybean/us-soybean-exports-to-c...

The first time that Trump screwed over with tariffs, they got tons of bailout money that we all paid for.

Not all sectors of the economy are so lucky. The big man at the top must be paid with either bribes or allegiance or both.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by jrs235 on Sunday August 31, 2025 @10:40AM (#45083489)
It's part of the plan. Small farms will be the ones to go bankrupt. The large corporate, black rock et al owned, "farms" (read businesses) will be bailed out and allowed to scoop up the little ones for pennies onto the dollar.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by enaaem on Sunday August 31, 2025 @04:19AM (#45081432)
ICE raids are freeing up a lot of spots in the agri sector.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by atoav on Saturday August 30, 2025 @07:55PM (#45079076)
Yes, a tariff can be a good measure. But for that the tariffed goods need to be selected carefully and rationally und not whatever the heck the Trump administration is doing.

For example you can tariff bananas all you like, that won't spark widespread banana production in a climate that can't grow them.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by californical on Sunday August 31, 2025 @03:11AM (#45081050)
No but it could shift consumer demand a bit to favor apples, for example, which largely come from domestic sources.

Not arguing one way or another, but your reduction isn’t quite accurate with the affects tariffs can have

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by m348e912 on Sunday August 31, 2025 @06:54AM (#45082186)
Hawaii produces 6.3 million lbs per year of bananas which is a tiny fraction of the 8 million metric tons per year Ecuador produces. Labor and land cost is the primary reason Hawaii can't compete with Latin America, but long-standing tariffs could change that.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by simonh on Sunday August 31, 2025 @07:48AM (#45082452)
About 2m people are employed directly or indirectly in the Ecuadorean banana industry. The total population of Hawaii is only 1.5m. Also you could fit Hawaii in a corner of Ecuador.
Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by toast0 on Sunday August 31, 2025 @08:20AM (#45082620)
Hawaii is already heavily agricultural. Most of the non-agricultural land is reserved for conservation. Banana production would likely replace other production, and then we've got less of that stuff.

Also, shipping to continental US is limited by the Jones Act and the lack of capacity in US built, owned, and crewed shipping lines. Assuming a desire to produce things in the US, I don't think it's sensible to tarrif bananas to grow them in Hawaii, and then relax the Jones act so they can be shipped to the continental US on foreign carriers.

Re:Six Months into Tariffs, Businesses Have No Idea How to P... by xnx on Sunday August 31, 2025 @12:24PM (#45084399)
Isolationists would say we should be eating corn instead