Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by ianburrell on Thursday August 28, 2025 @07:31PM
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There isn't enough bandwidth in HF to transmit data. Digital HF audio is 20 kHz wide so maybe 50kbps. The entire HF band is only 3-30 MHz.
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Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by transcriptase on Thursday August 28, 2025 @08:18PM
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Wait until you find out what people used to do with phone lines!
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by zack6849 on Thursday August 28, 2025 @08:35PM
(#45058633)
sure there is, you can send files over HF, it may not be FAST, but once you get it into the country, you can just copy the file with a faster method (eg: usb drive), WINLINK supports attachments, so you could absolutely send these files over HF
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by smallnamespace on Thursday August 28, 2025 @08:47PM
(#45058717)
If you're going to be using USB drives anyway, then using them to move files into the country would be faster.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by nine_k on Thursday August 28, 2025 @09:23PM
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More dangerous though. You'd need something like truecrypt, too.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by youainti on Thursday August 28, 2025 @11:32PM
(#45059840)
btw, veracrypt is the name if the follow up project. truecrypt shut down over a decade ago rather abruptly, so anything labeled truecrypt today is suspect as either out of date or potential malware.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by cheeseomlit on Friday August 29, 2025 @09:47AM
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Wasn't the conspiracy theory that truecrypt got shut down because it was 'too effective', and the successor projects presumably have intentional backdoors or something?
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by rOOb85 on Saturday August 30, 2025 @02:30PM
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Truecrypt was likely developed by only 1 man, Paul le roux, who likely shut it down because he was on the run for being an international drug/human smuggler/cartel member. It’s kind of a crazy story.
But either way both truecrypt and veracrypt were independently audited and no major flaws were found. Not sure when the last veracrypt audit was done.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by estimator7292 on Friday August 29, 2025 @12:31AM
(#45060220)
Nah, just drop a few thousand 1GB flash drives from a plane. Load them with a tor browser, a wireguard client, and instructions on finding a remote exit. Only one copy needs to survive and it can spread very quickly and irreversibly by foot.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by GJim on Friday August 29, 2025 @04:01AM
(#45061435)
Plugging in a strange USB drive?
What could go wrong.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by ForOldHack on Friday August 29, 2025 @07:38AM
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Would you like a short list, a long list or ...
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by ZaoLahma on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:31AM
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Yeah, this is a great approach if you're already at war with a country.
If you're not and they're still allowing your planes to fly through their airspace then this is a great way to ensure that they lock your (and your friends') planes out.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by chipsrafferty on Saturday August 30, 2025 @10:01PM
(#45079668)
Drop them from commercial planes via the toilet?
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by daflip on Sunday August 31, 2025 @03:02AM
(#45081003)
When you flush the toilet in an airplane the contents is normally vacuumed in to a holding tank which gets emptied after the plane lands.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by chipsrafferty on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:35AM
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Then why have people died from getting hit by frozen pee icicles?
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by slater on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:36AM
(#45116354)
pretty sure that's never happened, it's an urban legend
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by GoblinSlayer on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:49AM
(#45061347)
Or just google drive.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by immibis on Saturday August 30, 2025 @03:09PM
(#45077186)
Banned in places that ban VPNs.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by tzs on Thursday August 28, 2025 @09:56PM
(#45059168)
50 kb/s x 1000 bits/kb x 3600 s/hr x 24 hr/day x 1 byte/8 bits x 1 MB / 1000000 bytes = 540 MB/day. That's enough to download VPN software and a Linux distribution to run it on in a day.
If you've already got a Linux system, the Debian openvpn package is under 1 MB and at 50 kb/s would take under 3 minutes to download. I don't know if openvpn in particular is suitable for people who are trying to evade their government, but would whatever features it is missing add substantially more size?
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by jdkdbrnrnrb on Thursday August 28, 2025 @10:03PM
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You never used dialup did you?
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by kingforaday on Thursday August 28, 2025 @10:20PM
(#45059337)
zmodem to the rescue!
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by anonzzzies on Friday August 29, 2025 @12:23AM
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300 baud. Was enough to download grainy porn pics. With a proper download tool that continues after hangups etc you can just leave it on for a week and I have when downloading software end 70s. No problem. Also via the airwaves: we had software via the radio every sunday. Works fine. Modern software is shitty large: it would be nice if a VPN provider would just release the driver and a cli which should not weigh over a mega (far less but outside mr Whitney i am not sure if that type of software dev still exists) for this type of transfer.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by tzs on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:33PM
(#45068395)
9600 bps dialup using the protocols commonly used back then such as ZMODEM could do file transfers at 3 MB/hour. That would be fine for grabbing VPN software.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by jchook on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:06AM
(#45060418)
Wireguard ships with the Linux kernel so you only need to receive ~60 bytes of configuration information.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by teiferer on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:34AM
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The user-facing software is not included in the kernel, but you need that to configure wireguard.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by jchook on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:44AM
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Is that true? I thought wg-quick etc were just convenience functions and that it's relatively trivial to use iproute2 to configure a VPN link
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by immibis on Saturday August 30, 2025 @03:08PM
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You don't need wg-quick. You do need the "wg" command.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by immibis on Friday August 29, 2025 @10:56AM
(#45064972)
Wireguard is also easily censored and is already censored in the places that censor VPNs.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by lormayna on Monday September 01, 2025 @02:15AM
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HF are really noisy. You need a lot of error correction to ensure that the package is consistent and without any error. This will drastically decrease the real bit rate.
Re:Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. ...
by pythonguython on Friday August 29, 2025 @02:10PM
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I’m not familiar with any HF comms channels other than military or broadcasting that get 20 kHz of bandwidth. Most HF modes get 3 kHz. You might be able to get 5 kbps at 3 kHz BW with some modern modes that can adapt to the frequency selective non stationary channel.