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Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by erulabs on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @07:57PM (#45033813)
Unbelievable! Watched with my 4 year old, he was full of questions about why the ocean was turning to nighttime, what satellites are, about going to another planet, about the earth being so blue and if we “ever even knew that before”.

Just wonderful stuff. So excited for the future.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by dvt on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:13PM (#45033929)
So awesome, I hope to have kids one day precisely for this reason! One of my fondest memories is my dad quenching my curiosity (with a drawing, to boot!) of how satellite dishes work when I was 6 or 7.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by monero-xmr on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @10:16PM (#45034739)
My kids learning to ride a bike - the moment you release your hand for the first time and they just go and go. When my son learned checkers, and then when he beat me the first time. When my daughter told her first original joke at a family dinner and everyone died laughing.

The moments truly never stop. Every single day they amaze and surprise you, fill you with so much love and joy and appreciation.

One time Bill Gates was asked what gave him joy and without missing a beat he said his children. Nothing is greater, nothing gives you more meaning, nothing is more ultimate than the sacrifice and patience and wonder and fulfillment of having children.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by adonese on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:44PM (#45035239)
Thanks for this. We are expecting one in two months (our first), and reading this made me happy.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by bombcar on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:13PM (#45035078)
There's a moment of abject horror, fascination, wonder, surprise, and pride when you suddenly recognize yourself in your children; a moment, a word, even just a holding of the head and you're staring into a mirror ...
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by monero-xmr on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:18PM (#45035110)
It is a complete shift in world view. In BC (before children) you lived one way, then in AD (after delivery) you live another. Complete and utter change in priorities, outlook, experience, meaning, fundamental shift that those without children cannot understand
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by doug713705 on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @01:25AM (#45035737)
And people with children cannot understand what it is to live a whole life in full freedom. I'm over 50 years old and I fully love my life as it is and have never regretted my choice of not having children (and never will).

Not that my choice is suitable for everybody, but the most common choice is not suitable for everybody either.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by monero-xmr on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @02:02AM (#45035922)
Hard disagree, I lived my life without children, the hedonism and lack of responsibility. And you can live this until death. And I didn’t discount such a life in my writing. I stated that having children fundamentally changes you, in a way you will never understand
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @05:40AM (#45037336)
Given State of World, my take on it is there's far more hedonism and irresponsibility in having kids.

It's nice they make you happy, but will their lives be happy?

The evidence says it's very unlikely.

My choice is not to inflict that experience on another sentient being. I'm really not seeing anything at the moment that encourages me to question that.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by ptero on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @07:13AM (#45038026)
For a different perspective: the world today is not perfect, but when I compare the current state of the world with how our ancestors lived from the Roman empire to the last century I think my kids have a high chances to do much better than that average.

My direct ancestors lived through some harrowing times without losing their will to live and if they were alive today they would likely feel this is a great time to be alive. My 2c.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by bombcar on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @10:00AM (#45039831)
And the very act of hope that having kids is (and it is a strong act of hope, no denial) changes your outlook on life and the state of the world, too.

Sometimes to more abject despair, but often to more hope.

People shouldn't be forced at gunpoint to have children, but they also shouldn't be dragged down into insecurity and despair that it's financially impossible.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by close04 on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @07:54AM (#45038400)
> Given State of World, my take on it is there's far more hedonism and irresponsibility in having kids.

Compared to what? We're living in some of the best times humanity as a whole ever had. Deciding en-masse to not have kids is the irresponsible thing because it literally condemns humanity to extinction and creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're cursing the world because you stubbed your toe. Social media inflicted this kind of feeling a lot over the last couple of decades.

> but will their lives be happy?

You'd have to ask them. Humans overwhelmingly choose to live so you could conclude that they prefer existing over the alternative. Happiness is very relative and you'd have a hard time defining it even for yourself, let alone for your hypothetical unborn child.

> The evidence says it's very unlikely.

There's absolutely no evidence to support anything you said. It's your personal preference and you're entitled to it. Why don't you own your choice instead of putting it on fictitious evidence that your unborn child will be unhappy?

> My choice is not to inflict that experience on another sentient being

Whatever you pick you're making that choice for you, not for them.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by bombcar on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @10:02AM (#45039860)
And at least in my experience, children do not get existential despair about the state of the world until adulthood, unless it is given to them from outside forces.

Children don't know the world exists beyond their town until they're instructed on it!

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by monero-xmr on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @07:13AM (#45038032)
You can choose to end your bloodline, and your opinion is the human race should go extinct now like a race of eunuchs have taken over. But I could personally not disagree more
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by AlexeyBelov on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:14AM (#45060466)
Eww, wtf is this comment?
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by stinkbeetle on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @10:24PM (#45047637)
It will be "inflicted" on other people whether you choose it or not.

People and cultures that don't want children will give way to those who do.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by holoduke on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @01:41AM (#45035814)
I can understand. I have 4 small kids. The amount of freetime us near zero. I can sometimes envy your life
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by bombcar on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @02:08PM (#45042983)
As a fellow manyKid™ enjoyer I know what you mean. Even your "free time" is guided and directed by kids, and when you DO get some time alone with the wife or a good friend, you talk about the kids.

It really is a change that's not quite possible to convey with words.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by jajko on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @02:44AM (#45036198)
Sure we do, not everybody got married and got kids at 20.

And I mean proper life, backpacking for months around south east asia, himalaya, diving in remote tropical islands, doing extreme mountain sports to the fullest capacity. You know, stuff that adds easily many decades of life actually experienced.

It doesnt compare, it cant.

But there is a catch - to have a chance for actually being a good long term stable parent (and also having and raising kids in a similar way), 2 balanced individuals need to meet and be close to each other on many levels, and then keep working on it. Something I dont see often around me unfortunately in these me-me-me times, with corresponding consequences. Better having no kids than be a miserable parent, raising another miserable generation of permanent cripples.

Just wait till you hit 60s and the pool of nice things you can do keeps shrinking dramatically, I've heard such phrases before and then heard regrets some time later.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by close04 on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @05:08AM (#45037122)
This is a matter of personal preference of course. But the way you phrased it, "a whole life in full freedom" tells me you think it's either all or nothing. If you can't enjoy the full freedom in the last years of your life, does it take away from the previous years?

For better or worse people with kids know both lives, people without kids only know one. It's like saying "you'll never know how it is to eat an entire cake". Maybe you ate much of it, that counts for something. Now you're on to the next cake. You might bite more than you can chew but this goes for everything.

The value of this freedom is the highest when you're young, experimenting, putting your life on some track. Being "free" at 65 doesn't have anywhere near the same value as it does at 20. Once you do it (almost) all, everything else becomes more of the same doesn't it? That cake I was mentioning? The first bite tasted a whole lot better than the last.

There's no right or wrong, everyone knows their preference and personal circumstances. But your explanation felt like a knee-jerk reaction.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by vaxman on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @01:43AM (#45035819)
Do your kids have Social Security Numbers yet? Let's ask Elon to use his privileged mode on xAI to have it characterize their socio economic relations among all Americans that have existed since The Great Deal, shall we?
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by monero-xmr on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @02:08AM (#45035969)
To respond in such a moronic, unthinking, truly absurd and ridiculous way to such a beautiful comment is bizarre and unnecessary beyond human understanding
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by vaxman on Saturday August 30, 2025 @02:48PM (#45077038)
ok Elon.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by rubzah on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @05:34AM (#45037293)
Even Steve Jobs, who was by most accounts a pretty cold fish (his many other qualities notwithstanding), said something similar. By memory, he said something like: With your kids, it's as if they carry your heart around outside of your body. Which I found super touching and apt.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by quadhome on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @06:32AM (#45037736)
"Making the decision to have a child - it is momentous. It is to decide forever to have your heart go walking around outside your body." -- Elizabeth Stone
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by whatbutwhy on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @12:06AM (#45035359)
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Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by justahuman74 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:05PM (#45033873)
Its pretty common for 4 year olds to not yet know about planetary orbits, and to also find rocket launches fascinating
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by dcmatt on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:09PM (#45033899)
Don't be bamboozled! This is an amazing time to be alive!
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by wyldfire on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:03PM (#45033860)
I'm not seeing cues of satire, it all seems sincere.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by NobodyNada on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:06PM (#45033883)
...Huh? Why would that be sad?

My parents have formative memories of watching the moon landings as kids, and I of watching the space shuttle. As someone who ended up where I am in large part due to my curiosity about the world growing up, reading of OP's kid watching a rocket launch, thinking critically about what they're seeing, and learning more about the world from it is a joyous thing.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by Pedro_Ribeiro on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:06PM (#45033881)
What is sad about this?
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by wging on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:09PM (#45033900)
He's 4
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by blendergeek on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:06PM (#45033876)
what is the sad part here?
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by gus_massa on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:08PM (#45033890)
Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1053/

I expect many kids to know that from cartoons, but perhaps my kids whatch weird cartoons. Anyway, the cartoons sometimes have the details wrong, so it's nice to talk about that.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by nsxwolf on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:03PM (#45033863)
Why would it be satire? We all just saw one of the greatest achievements in the history of engineering and we can’t feel good about it?
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by qmr on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @12:27AM (#45035457)
Go directly to steam and download Kerbal Space Program.

Thank me later.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by hdgvhicv on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @03:38AM (#45036577)
Warning. KSP breaks pretty much all sci fi programs when you wonder why the landing shuttle is flying towards the planet it’s going to.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by erulabs on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @12:49AM (#45035567)
Oh I will. My boy just turned 4, so he’s a little young for video games right now. Maybe 5 or 6? But we played spaceships in the park all evening. Looking forward to gaming age for sure!
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by prox on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @02:01AM (#45035915)
If you live in a good spot, a beginners telescope might be money well spent.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by hliyan on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @01:40AM (#45035811)
This is the same age when I started watching Star Trek (original series). To say it had a profound impact on my interest in science and ethics is an understatement. English wasn't even my first language, but I think I picked up a lot of the themes, and my interest in science, tech and ethical philosophy continues to this day. I actually wrote this bit about introducing children to Star Trek (answer is a bit dated now): https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/6719/what-is-the-r...
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by ffsm8 on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @06:28AM (#45037706)
Dated indeed, as nobody is interested in Star Trek anymore since they've actively ruined the IP.

Heck, the person spearheading star Trek vision has gone on public records essentially saying he never liked star Trek and that's why he's gonna make it more like star wars....

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by bamboozled on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @08:33AM (#45038772)
In hindsight, I don't feel like the lessons in ethics have done wonders for the USA either...
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by hliyan on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @09:28AM (#45039391)
The "Yangs vs. Comms" episode comes to mind.
Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by jfengel on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @12:07PM (#45041531)
You're talking about the movies, and yeah, that has failed. They're talking about yet another one, and I'm baffled, but we'll see where (if anywhere) it goes.

But the Paramount+ stuff is doing pretty well. Strange New Worlds is very popular. So was Lower Decks. The last season of Picard, at least, gave fans a lot of what they had been looking for. They've got a new series coming out, and what little we know is that it has a bang-up cast. (Not that that's sufficient; Discovery did very badly by some very talented actors. But it's a good start.)

So Trek: The IP is still going pretty strong. At least as well as Star Wars, which has also been hit-and-miss.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by madaxe_again on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @02:57AM (#45036288)
I always ask mine what she’d like to do after school today.

“Let’s go to the moon” comes back at least once a week.

Sincerely hope to be able to take her, one day.

Re:Starship 10T minus 10 min by lm28469 on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @10:23AM (#45040152)
Take a blanket, drive in an area with minimal light pollution, lay on the ground and watch the sky with your kid(s).

I did that with my grandma as a kid and to this day I don't think I've done anything more relaxing and interesting, it's like watching a fire or waves, it never gets old