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Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by chc on Saturday September 08, 2012 @09:32PM (#4494624)
No? How on earth is it dishonest to use the technical term for the thing? It doesn't seem any more dishonest than calling the constituent parts of matter "atoms" even though they can actually be split.
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by javert on Saturday September 08, 2012 @09:49PM (#4494650)
The discovery that atoms are not atomic (could be split) came after the term was coined.

On the other hand, in this case, a bunch of people decided to call something "teleportation" when it isn't teleportation.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by chc on Saturday September 08, 2012 @09:59PM (#4494663)
AFAIK, it is teleportation -- something is going from one place to another without having to move through the space between them -- but it just isn't what you think of when you think of "teleportation".
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by javert on Sunday September 09, 2012 @02:55AM (#4495153)
Here is what I take to be an acceptable definition of teleporatation, which comes from Wikipedia:

Teleportation is the transfer of matter from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them

So under this definition, would you agree that quantum teleportation is not "regular" teleportation, since although information is traversing space without moving "through" it, matter is not?

I'm not really arguing semantics anymore, I'm just unclear whether the latter part of that question ("since...") is factually true, since I don't understand quantum stuff.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by Ygg2 on Sunday September 09, 2012 @04:59AM (#4495353)
I think term teleportation is still valid because they can entangle and teleport any kind of particles. Photons are merely used because of their convenience.

You can entagled protons, electorns. Hell, I think they managed to demonstrate entanglement on a larger scale.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by javert on Sunday September 09, 2012 @04:12PM (#4496830)
It seems to me like no particles are being teleported, becuse no matter is being moved. It's just information (i.e, the state of a particle) that is being duplicated in the same kind of particle on the other end.
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by rodly on Saturday September 08, 2012 @10:18PM (#4494696)
If it is moving from A to B via some physical continuous medium, then it is not teleporting.
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by tgb on Saturday September 08, 2012 @11:11PM (#4494772)
(Note: my full qualifications are an on-going Coursera course on quantum computing that covers quantum teleportation lightly. FWIW, I recommend the course.)

In vague terms, the process of quantum teleportation is the following:

* You have a qubit that you want to transmit to a friend and that you don't know anything about.

* create an entangled pair of qubits (such as photons) and separate them. Keep one yourself and give another to your friend.

* Now you have two qubits; one entangled with your friends and one that you want to transmit.

* Send your two bits through a quantum circuit (the main part being a 'controlled NOT gate').

* Your bit is now entangled with the bit that is entangled with your friends bit.

* Measure each of your bits, hence 'collapsing' them. Each measurement gives you a classical bit.

* Transmit your two classical bits to your friend over any classical connection.

* Your friend then performs an operation on his or her qubit depending on what you send him or her.

* Your friend's qubit is now in the state that your original qubit was in. Your original qubit is now in a different state.

Call it teleporation if you want; it's not that unlike some sci-fi teleportation constructs of 'beaming' things places.

Why bother with this?

* It lets you send qubits to distant places that you have only classical channels to (and previously close enough contact share two entangled qubits).

* It allows more error-resistant computations: if your qubit is difficult to construct and you wish to perform a difficult operation on it, you can actually have your friend perform the difficult operation on his or her bit - prior to teleportation - and, if it succeeds, you can then proceed with the teleportation. If it doesn't succeed, your friend may try again on another entangled qubit without messing up your difficult-to-prepare qubit. After a success and teleportation, you get the same result (up to a commutator which is usually relatively small and risk-free) as performing the difficult operation on the difficult-to-prepare qubit, but with less risk of messing it up.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by fauigerzigerk on Sunday September 09, 2012 @02:54AM (#4495152)
After this process is completed, can the entangled qubit pair be reused to transfer more information or is this a one off? That is, do you have to repeat the "give another to your friend" part in order to transmit more information?
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by tgb on Sunday September 09, 2012 @11:48AM (#4496043)
This method requires the initial entangled qubits to be in a "Bell State" (equal superposition of both in 0 and both in 1). After teleportation, its no longer in that state. So it's not reusable by this method, but maybe by another that I don't know about (though I doubt it).
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by javert on Sunday September 09, 2012 @02:52AM (#4495147)
Thanks, this is a pretty helpful summary.

Can you clairify the second reasons to "bother" with it? I mean, if it's difficult for me to perform the operation, it's presumably equally difficult for my "friend" to do it (and subsequently "teleport" the result to me), so why not just do it myself?

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by stordoff on Sunday September 09, 2012 @04:44PM (#4496915)
In addition to the transportation benefit, it can be used for computation. The example given in the Coursera course was to suppose that we have a qubit (quantum bit) Y on which we wish to perform some unreliable computation. If it fails, then Y's state is lost. Further suppose that Y is costly (e.g. time consuming) to re-create.

Instead, we can create a pair of entangled qubits (which is easy to do - just a single quantum gate), as one would when teleporting a qubit. We then apply the computation to one of these qubits, and try again with a new pair of qubits if it fails.

Once we have successfully applied the computation, we can teleport our "expensive" qubit Y using this entangled pair. The result is that we now have Y with the computation applied, but there is no risk of losing Y's state.

The details are rather more tricky (only certain computations can be used, some require a correction after teleportation etc.), but this basis can (and has) be built on to develop, for example, fault tolerant quantum computing.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by tgb on Sunday September 09, 2012 @11:55AM (#4496057)
What silverdrake said, but also it's a matter of error-tolerance. If we want to do a difficult two-step computation and know when each sub-step succeeds or fails, than:

1) Perform the first step on a qubit (repeat if failed)

2) Your friend performs the second step on their qubit (repeat if failed, but no need to repeat (1))

3) Teleport your qubit to your friend

4) Your friend performs a simply operation on their qubit

After this, the state of your friend's qubit is now the result of applying both operations. But each sub-step can be redone without affecting the result of the other, so mistakes are easier to correct. So in this case, "your friend" might refer to yourself - the important part isn't teleporting the qubit somewhere elses, it's that the computation is less error-prone.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by silverdrake11 on Sunday September 09, 2012 @09:40AM (#4495745)
Perhaps, you are working on an important experiment with your qubit. However, you realize that that you need an expensive piece of lab equipment to follow through.

However, you remember that your "friend" has this equipment at his/her lab. You also happen to share an entangled qubit with your friend. And you know that you can call your friend on the phone.

Rather than mail the qubit to your friend's lab which could be in a very remote location, you use quantum teleportation to send its state.

This way your friend receives your qubit without the qubit having traveled through physical space.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by marshray on Saturday September 08, 2012 @11:13PM (#4494775)
It may be that the information encoded in the spin of a photon or something has jumped non-continuously. But most people think of "teleportation" as transferring matter.
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by joesb on Sunday September 09, 2012 @06:07AM (#4495458)
I guess the realization that energy/information and matter is the same thing came after the term teleportation was coined also?
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by waterlesscloud on Saturday September 08, 2012 @09:53PM (#4494653)
Because the technical term is misleading and inaccurate.

If scientists started calling walking "human teleportation" tomorrow, they'd be wrong in that too. The term "teleportation" had a very well-established meaning before they appropriated it.

Scientists can make mistakes, labeling this process "teleportation" was one of those mistakes.

Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by Cushman on Saturday September 08, 2012 @10:38PM (#4494722)
Uh huh.

  Scientist: "As you can see here, we've demonstrated quantum teleportation across an unprecedented--"
  Journalist: "Teleportation?! Like in Star Trek?"
  Scientist: "Uh, no. *Quantum* teleportation is a different--"
  Journalist: "So you didn't send anybody through a wormhole or anything?"
  Scientist: "No. What we've demonstrated is the ability to--"
  Journalist: "It just seems like a bit of a mistake to call it 'teleportation'."
  Scientist: "Yes, I can see that now."
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by zxtang on Saturday September 08, 2012 @11:18PM (#4494791)
As always, there's an xkcd for that: http://xkcd.com/465/
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by waterlesscloud on Saturday September 08, 2012 @11:23PM (#4494799)
What do you imagine they thought teleportation meant when they appropriated it?
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by chc on Saturday September 08, 2012 @10:01PM (#4494668)
If it was a mistake, it wasn't dishonest. If it was dishonest, they were intentionally trying to deceive people.
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by marshray on Saturday September 08, 2012 @11:21PM (#4494797)
Some of the claims people are making about the purported security advantages of quantum crypto are borderline dishonest, IMHO.
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by smosher on Sunday September 09, 2012 @02:50PM (#4496552)
Are you referring to the potential weaknesses just discovered recently?
Re:Quantum teleportation over 143 kilometres using active fe... by marshray on Sunday September 09, 2012 @04:55PM (#4496950)
No, not specifically.