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Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by 1970-01-01 on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:33PM (#44943806)
Read the draft. Overall, it's a decent take on the situation. Yes, they have included anti-vax and other stupid ideas, which should be ignored for the majority, but the overall take is still accurate enough to execute and provide a benefit. It seems as if they are putting out a strategy and have been forced to include the duck. Just get rid of the duck and it's good.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/new-programming-jargon/

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by happytoexplain on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:43PM (#44943899)
Are you just using the metaphor loosely, or are you actually suggesting that they explicitly do not believe in the duck and are counting on others to ask for it to be removed to reduce scrutiny on the parts they do believe in?
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by 1970-01-01 on Monday August 18, 2025 @03:10PM (#44944146)
I'm using it tightly and rightly. Keep the bits about clean water, clean air, microplastic pollution, screentime, drug commercials, etc.

Have your doctor selectively ignore the anti-vax and non-ionizing EM radiation ducks.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by happytoexplain on Monday August 18, 2025 @06:53PM (#44946171)
This is bold - you think RFK Jr. doesn't believe in what he's saying? That it's some kind of show?
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by goyagoji on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:50PM (#44943983)
The demented mind of a legacy child is supposed to help us agree to ignore the auto industry and its neo-fascist accomplices while they kill children.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by ryandv on Monday August 18, 2025 @06:07PM (#44945817)
Every time I think my parody of progressives is too hyperbolic, someone on the left comes out and affirms that, no, it is indeed an accurate characterization of progressive discourse.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by minorj47 on Monday August 18, 2025 @07:28PM (#44946458)
If he wrote it in all cap locks and bad grammar would it feel more like the writing from the right?
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by ryandv on Monday August 18, 2025 @09:37PM (#44947362)
You can peruse my comment history and witness all the progressives who attempted to refute conservative viewpoints and failed.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by ryandvm on Monday August 18, 2025 @10:08PM (#44947527)
Uh.. I read some of you comments, and frankly, I'm not excited about the prospect of our usernames being mistaken.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by ryandv on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @12:39AM (#44948309)
I doubt there will be risk of confusion.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by buttercraft on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @03:24AM (#44949116)
I, for one, will remember the "m" at the end of your username and not associate you with the hate-filled, sociopathic screeds of the other poster.

Probably not much consolation, but, hey...good luck

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by goyagoji on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @09:48AM (#44951497)
Everyone who disagrees with you is a progressive? 97% of the world population has no reason to share views with an American conservative even if their minds are similarly polluted with other nationalist and religious smut.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by ryandv on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @09:58AM (#44951630)
This level of projection and assumption reveals more about you and progressive discourse than anything. I am not an American conservative.

What's next? You going to assume my gender too?

It's comments like this that reveal the abject hypocrisy of the left.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by goyagoji on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @11:37AM (#44952814)
I didn't guess you were an American; I gave an example from which to extrapolate.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by genman on Monday August 18, 2025 @03:02PM (#44944078)
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by wasabi991011 on Monday August 18, 2025 @04:30PM (#44944956)
I'd say it's more of a mixed bag.

There's some good (microbiome research, cracking down on influencers advertising drugs), some bad (anti-fluoride, autism scare, vaccine scare, EM radiation scare), some I can't evaluate (usefulness of non-animal models, usefulness of AI in cancer research and in diagnostic medicine), and some that depend heavily on implementation (prescription impact on mental health, building a general data platform, changing nutrition labelling).

It's certainly doesn't seem like a dismantling of the agency nor an attempt at corruption.

However, RFK Jr. and the rest of this administration has a lot of baggage, I heavily disagree with the idea that the bad ideas here are just a distraction duck.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by goyagoji on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @02:02AM (#44948679)
Their mixing their scams into everything is worse than if they stuck entirely to their scams. No one will believe future research in an area they bring up hasn't been tainted by their reality distortion field. China will have more credible medicine than the US since the Chinese party isn't that interested in pushing a lot of quack theories to the math and science illiterate as a way to gain and maintain political power.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by wasabi991011 on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @11:35AM (#44952798)
Great point.

But re. China, is that entirely true? I was under the impression that traditional Chinese medicine (which we westerners usually consider quack) is very much integrated into medical practice in China, although I don't know if that extends to medical research. I could be wrong though, I don't have a clear view on Chinese affairs.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by pyman on Monday August 18, 2025 @04:00PM (#44944670)
> the report does not mention the leading causes of death for American children, which are firearms and motor vehicle accidents.

I'm honestly tired of seeing all these AI wannabes bragging on Twitter and LinkedIn about how they've built a tool that does "10x better" than something else, and how they only hire people willing to work 80 hours a week, with no life and no need for money. They're trying to normalise tech sweatshops because their VCs told them that being a psychopath is the fastest way to get a return on investment. These founders are so driven and so dumb that I have more respect for flat-earth conspiracy theorists than for this new wave of brainless, heartless founders.

And I don't buy into their Mother Theresa's story either, that they'll exploit people for decades, cash out billions, and then magically turn into philanthropists to fix all the harm they caused.

This is the time to use technology to solve real problems. That's the mission, that's why we're here. The leading causes of death for American children are firearms and motor vehicle accidents. The Volvo engineer who invented the seatbelt is a hero because he saved millions of lives.

We need to stop these shallow founders from destroying the reputation of our industry.

(Sorry for the rant)

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by Sniffnoy on Monday August 18, 2025 @01:59PM (#44943488)
I know this isn't the point, but it really bugs me to see "conspiracy" used to mean "conspiracy theory" in this way. (And this is less of a proper conspiracy theory and more just a crackpot theory, tbh.)
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by jfengel on Monday August 18, 2025 @04:26PM (#44944918)
Conspiracy theories and crackpot theories overlap a lot. A lot of crackpot theories include a conspiracy component: not only is my crackpot theory true, but also there is a conspiracy to suppress it.

The conspiracy theory element is a heuristic for evaluating the crackpot theory: setting aside the particulars of the theory, does it also require an utterly enormous, vastly powerful group to keep that secret (but not quite powerful enough to keep you from having discovered the truth)?

That's a heuristic, not a proof. But it does give you a hint about which notions are worth your time to investigate further.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by hagbard_c on Monday August 18, 2025 @05:31PM (#44945560)
Is there any danger to WiFi, 5G and other similar technologies? I have not yet seen any definite proof or disproof of that but that does not mean these are 'conspiracy theories' nor that everyone who asks these questions are 'crackpots'.

The lab leak origin of the SARS2 unpleasantness was called a 'conspiracy theory' and those who supported it were called 'crackpots' and 'science deniers'.

Those who voiced doubt on the efficacy and safety of the mRNA therapies pushed for the same were called 'crackpots' and 'science deniers' by the same crowd.

The same was true for those who were open to other treatments for the disease, things like Ivermectin and the like.

It has taken many years and the jury is still out on the efficacy of many 'alternative therapies' but by now it is clear that the virus did escape from the very same lab pointed out by all those 'conspiracy theorists' and 'science deniers', that the mRNA therapies lacked efficacy and that the lack of a targeting mechanism for delivering mRNA to the right locations - in this case mucous membranes - while keeping it away from organs which stood to be harmed if the mRNA were to be delivered there - ovaries, testes, heart muscles and more - radically changed the risk profile for delivering these agents to younger people who were unlikely to be harmed by the virus but were (and are) at risk of harm from those same agents.

And what happened to the reputations of those who labelled these dissenters 'conspiracy theorists' and 'crackpots'? Nothing happened, they just moved to whatever cause the current desired narrative dictates - we've always been at war with Eurasia after all?

It is remarkable how risk-free it is to label people 'conspiracy theorists' or any of the other epithets bandied around by the chattering classes. Where in the pas nobody ever got fired for choosing $brand nowadays it seems to be that nobody ever gets fired for labelling those who do not follow the narrative 'conspiracy theorist' or 'crackpot' or 'racist' or '${identity_group}phobe'.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by orwin on Monday August 18, 2025 @06:25PM (#44945933)
No, the crackpot theory is that the virus was engineered with Cas-9, not that it was a lab leak. This is a heavy rewriting of what happened.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by lenkite on Monday August 18, 2025 @07:44PM (#44946604)
Sorry, but no - the lab-leak theory was down-voted extensively on hacker news. What you are saying is a heavy rewriting of what happened. It took a looong time for the lab-leak theory to be accepted and it was down-voted to oblivion even as late as last year and called crackpot earlier.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by hagbard_c on Wednesday August 20, 2025 @10:55AM (#44962532)
Nope, what you wrote here is an example of heavy rewriting and is only more proof of the thesis that those who pushed the narrative against those who voiced now proven 'conspiracy theories' show no remorse for their actions and will just continue on their way, pushing whatever current desired narrative there happens to be. We have, after all, never been at war with Eurasia, right?
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by orwin on Saturday August 23, 2025 @07:43AM (#44995254)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25640323

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26540458

Do you want more? Most of hackernews was at worst disagreeing, at best supporting it, and most people were 50/50. I'd love, really love, to see an article were 10% of the comments or more were aggressively dismissive of people believing in the lableak, instead of engaging with them. The only dismissed theory was that the COVID was manmade, like I wrote before. But please find proof if this is a rewrite?

People seem to really love seeing themselves as victims, I hate that.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by jmclnx on Monday August 18, 2025 @01:57PM (#44943458)
>For instance, it includes no proposed restrictions

All this does for me is shows these people are in only for the kickbacks.

Outside of ignoring the constitution (ICE), giving/continuing a tax break worth billions to the top 1% and eliminating science nothing that will help the US in the future has been done.

If this is not stopped, all the US will have left is a weapon building industry. Remember, drug research, a huge growing industry that the US leads has just be killed by RFK jr.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by amanaplanacanal on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:29PM (#44943767)
Hopefully the upcoming midterm elections will allow some sanity to return.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by DemocracyFTW2 on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:39PM (#44943856)
> Notably, the report does not mention the leading causes of death for American children, which are firearms and motor vehicle accidents. Cancer, another top killer, is only mentioned in the context of pushing new AI technologies at the National Institutes of Health. Poisonings, another top killer, are also not mentioned explicitly.

These people don't care for you. You are just Menschenmaterial to them, something to be be used, abused, exploited, then discarded.

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by coin on Monday August 18, 2025 @01:56PM (#44943448)
I wonder if smart meters are included. There’s a conspiracy theory around the RF emitted by smart meters.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by mikestew on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:49PM (#44943969)
They have 5G radios in them, IIRC. Of course there's crackpot theories about the RF.

(In fact, I'm pretty sure the reason I know that smart meters use 5G is because of the crackpot theories about "smart meters use 5G, and we all know what that does!!11One!".

Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by hypefi on Monday August 18, 2025 @05:21PM (#44945479)
It's a matter of time before physicists and biologists crack the complex interaction between EMFs in the range of 4G/wifi and the human biology, the old idea around ionizing and non-ionizing radiation explanation is no longer enough to explain why a lot of people complain about symptoms, quantum physics and quantum biology research will open up new doors of understanding.
Re:RFK Jr.'s Wi-Fi and 5G conspiracies appear to make it int... by klohto on Tuesday August 19, 2025 @08:14AM (#44950705)
> Electromagnetic Radiation: HHS in partnership with other Departments and federal agencies will undertake a study on electromagnetic radiation and health research to identify gaps in knowledge, including on new technologies to ensure safety and efficacy.

This is absolutely fine by me. There is nothing hyperbolic about the statement and it's quite literally just a research request. How did it got turned into this headline?