Depends on public space. Busy street, who cares. Silent intercity bus, maybe. Library, for sure.

Exactly. I would expect it not to bother anyone on a busy street, but I would expect to told to stop it in a library, and to be kicked out in a theatre.

Phones on silent in a theatre yet with a sea of bright silent phone screens surrounding you as people watch TikTok, text, etc., the movie won't be very entertaining. Why I stopped going to movie theatres about 10 years ago.

I meant a theatre as in stage, not cinema. Rare for phones to be used even on silent in my experience.

Now is your time. Everyone else stopped going to the movies 10 years ago too!

Also the work breakroom should be a headphone only zone.

No Sharron I don't want to hear the gosip about your extended family as you talk on speaker with your sister about your trailer trash cousins. And Jack I don't want to hear your shitty political podcast with their hosts room temperture IQ...

I see this more of an invasion of the privacy of the other party and feel bad for them.

Also it's very rude (in British terms, so it's off-the-charts for me).

IMO it shouldn't even get that far, to questions of how much we should be allowed to ask of others in the name of basic decency; there's been a massive shift from people being self-regulating and trying to be considerate to others, to the conversation changing to something like, "how dare you even speak to me while I'm blasting tiktok loudly, I'm going to look up the letter of the law and see what the maximum disruption I can legally get away with is, fuck you!"

Basically sometime around the 00s-10s, seemingly everyone decided to become a massive dickface with zero concept of social cohesion, and it's just me me me me me me, and fuck everyone else.

Society needs a reset, pretty much everyone has just become vile, angry and inconsiderate / extreme main-character syndrome.

Ive identified several aspects. Moral injury, new status baseline due to social media, and lack of awareness of effects our digital powers. Not enough time to type on this phone keybd but if ppl upvote i'll elaborate.

It's only a small minority who do things like that. Perhaps the proportion has increased slightly, but the biggest change is people are more afraid to challenge antisocial behaviour than before. So they are more bold.

The counter-culture movement was quite explicit in their mission to replace traditional social norms and values that led to social order with their opposites.

We shouldn’t be surprised society has fallen.

"society has fallen"

In the real world things seem to be pretty much the same as they have been for most of my life (and I am 60 in a few months).

Online, yes some people behave like monsters and occasionally some of that bleeds across into the real world - but overall I think we are pretty far from saying that "society has fallen".

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Yes, if you want to live in a decent society that respects the personal space and rights of others, and not a zoo

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