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Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by DrBazza on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @12:15PM (#44890402)
There's no small irony that facial recognition isn't going to recognise the faces of those currently racing around on e-bikes stealing phones wearing their 'safety balaclavas'. Or, indeed, some of the more militant protesters that are turning up all over the place. It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face?
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by tharmas on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @12:53PM (#44890861)
>if you have nothing to hide

But it's not you that decides that what you are doing is harmless. It's what the authorities decide; and that can be quite different from what you or other people deem "nothing to hide".

Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by dathinab on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @12:54PM (#44890869)
> It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face?

because who says the state (and the people acting for it, e.g. police) are always the good guys

there is a VERY long history of people being systematically harassed and persecuted for things which really shouldn't be an issue, and might not have been illegal either (but then the moment a state becomes the bad guy "illegal" loses meaning as doing the ethical right thing might now be illegal)

like just looking at the UK, they e.g. "thanked" Alan Turing for his war contributions by driving him into Suicide because he was gay

or how people through history have been frequently harassed for "just" not agreeing with the currently political fraction in power, and I really mean just not agreeing not trying to do anything to change it

and even if we ignore systematic stuff like that there has been also more then just a few cases of police officers abusing their power. Including cases like them stalking people, or them giving the address of people to radical groups, or blackmailing them for doing stuff which is legal but not publicly well perceived. (E.g. someone had sex with their wife on a balcony not visible from the street but visible from a surveillance camera).

And even if nothing of this applies to you, if there is no privacy and mass surveillance this can also help people in power to frame you for something you didn't do. Like e.g. to make you lose your job so their brother in law can get it instead.

and even ignoring all that you should have a right for privacy and since when is it okay to harass people which just want to defend their rights?

anyway if you think is through "I have nothing to hide" is such a ridiculous dump argument.

Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by philipallstar on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @01:22PM (#44891196)
> like just looking at the UK, they e.g. "thanked" Alan Turing for his war contributions by driving him into Suicide because he was gay

Well. Maybe[0].

[0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18561092

Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by pmarreck on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @08:13PM (#44895415)
Wow, never heard this version. Fascinating.
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by seabass-labrax on Thursday August 14, 2025 @08:16AM (#44899509)
Just because there is a chance he did not kill himself, that does not negate the fact that homosexuality was illegal, and that the state expended resources to prosecute him! British people now overwhelmingly see such policies as reprehensible, regardless of who might or might not have considered suicide because of them.
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by philipallstar on Friday August 15, 2025 @05:53AM (#44910410)
You're countering things I didn't say.
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by card_zero on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @02:29PM (#44892060)
I'm thinking it through, and I've arrived at the puzzling conclusion we shouldn't make it too hard for people to break the law.
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by dylan604 on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @06:32PM (#44894674)
Isn't that precisely the point. If there are so many laws that are so easily broken, you have a reason to pickup anyone of interest at any time.
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by card_zero on Thursday August 14, 2025 @01:54AM (#44897158)
Eh, I see what I wrote was ambiguous. I meant "not hard to defy the law", you're on "not hard to be tripped up by the law".
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by cwmoore on Thursday August 14, 2025 @07:15AM (#44899084)
Same jail
Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by DicIfTEx on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @07:01PM (#44894902)
Not so puzzling; see also this classic post from Moxie Marlinspike, founder of Signal: https://moxie.org/2013/06/12/we-should-all-have-something-to...

> Over the past year, there have been a number of headline-grabbing legal changes in the US, such as the legalization of marijuana in CO and WA, as well as the legalization of same-sex marriage in a growing number of US states.

> As a majority of people in these states apparently favor these changes, advocates for the US democratic process cite these legal victories as examples of how the system can provide real freedoms to those who engage with it through lawful means. And it’s true, the bills did pass.

> What’s often overlooked, however, is that these legal victories would probably not have been possible without the ability to break the law.

Re:UK expands police facial recognition rollout with 10 new ... by vkou on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @08:30PM (#44895500)
The optimal amount of fraud or lawlessness isn't zero.