Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by Cyan488 on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @10:59PM
(#44820120)
Was waiting to see all different colors of iMac G3 in the high resolution device icons, but alas.
I believe those icons are used in Network places if a device with a known model is on the local network. The BSOD device would represent Windows PCs with network shares, of course! I also recall seeing the Xserve icon for a qnap NAS on our network.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by stephen_g on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:14PM
(#44820210)
Yes, Samba's vfs_fruit module (which has options for better interoperability with Mac OS) has the fruit:model setting lets you select which icon it will show up as. You can make it look like any Mac model or Apple TV or iPhones etc.
Setting it to the string RackMac or Xserve should get that icon.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by ivraatiems on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:54PM
(#44820422)
This is correct - if you use OpenCore Legacy Patcher[0] to get a newer version of macOS onto an older device, it will identify the old device correctly.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by LoganDark on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @11:34PM
(#44820314)
That blue-screen icon is used for network shares that happen to be running Windows. I'd imagine a bunch of the other icons are also used for other types of network shares.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by ejdyksen on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:25AM
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> Why are all these things still in the macOS?
The Finder shows these icons for network volumes.
How does the Finder determine the model of the remote host? This is metadata in the _device-info._tcp Bonjour service record that is the server advertises. My Synology helpfully shows up as an Xserve, in fact:
$ dns-sd -L "synology" _device-info._tcp local
Lookup synology._device-info._tcp.local
DATE: ---Thu 07 Aug 2025---
0:24:28.117 ...STARTING...
0:24:28.378 synology._device-info._tcp.local. can be reached at synology.local.:0 (interface 14)
model=Xserve
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by plorg on Thursday August 07, 2025 @02:08PM
(#44828179)
I encountered this when setting up a Time Machine volume for my wife. In samba shares you can set that value in smb.conf by adding
fruit:model=ModelX,Y
MacOS will accept plenty of device names that perhaps don't make sense for file servers (I have mine set to Watch6,18), but it makes sense realizing that Bonjour is used for a lot more than just network volumes.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by shortrounddev2 on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:42AM
(#44820641)
What, you're not impressed by apple going with the same uninspired brushed aluminum macbook design 15 years in a row? What about the same beveled slab of black glass for the iPhone? Is that not innovative enough for you?
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by thewebguyd on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:11PM
(#44826399)
There are (were?) other OEMs that at least tried stuff, although not as much anymore. Lenovo has the trackpoint on the keyboard, Microsoft tried a high powered detachable (Surface Book), Asus has that dual screen laptop thing, Lenovo tried the Yoga swivel display/tablet convertible, there's Framework.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by sssilver on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:16PM
(#44826466)
Do you have a concrete example of a laptop from 15 years ago that in your view and experience had better design than the current generation MacBook Pro?
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by vFunct on Thursday August 07, 2025 @01:32AM
(#44820934)
Yah I wish Apple made laptops like those Windows laptops, with angular wedged plastic housing holding a barely functioning trackpad and 30 different USB-A ports with grills and 5 fans and all topped off by bright rainbow LEDs everywhere and of course an Intel-Inside sticker so you remember what kind of CPU you have in case you forgot.
Maybe add a Dragon print on the cover as well? That would be so cool. I am also an adult.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by can16358p on Thursday August 07, 2025 @04:39AM
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You forgot the screen lid hinge that always breaks in an unacceptable time, either completely or getting to a point a slight vibration causing screen to shake because of loose hinges.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by vFunct on Thursday August 07, 2025 @11:47AM
(#44826051)
Because it's indicative of systemic failures. Why waste space and add bulk to carry around ports you never use? Did you think adding those things come at no cost?
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by kcplate on Thursday August 07, 2025 @09:34PM
(#44832444)
Correct, mine weighs about half an ounce and I think I have used it maybe twice in the last 7 years. To be honest, this comment is going to prompt me to go find it in my bag and toss it.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by shortrounddev2 on Thursday August 07, 2025 @02:40PM
(#44828651)
Because maybe I do use ports and don't want to have to use a dongle to plug stuff in. Even apple realized their excesses and brought some more ports back. They've totally lost the plot on devices
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by pdntspa on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:47AM
(#44820674)
Not sure why this is so remarkable. You can find similar assets on Windows buried in explorer.exe or shell32.dll. Hell just poking around my win10 install and I see winhlp32.exe and write.exe sporting their original Windows 3.x icons (though the programs themselves do not function)
My guess is that it's cheapest and lowest-risk to leave them in. It's not like most users are going to encounter them anyway.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by nxobject on Thursday August 07, 2025 @01:08AM
(#44820794)
Re: Apple Symbols – the symbols aren't _too_ anachronistic: the font dates from Panther (10.3), which ran on all New World Macs (IIRC) – and indeed the B&W Power Mac G3 did have ADB (the "branch" icon at location (2, 2)), external SCSI (the icon at (10, 2)); while the "Lombard" PowerBook G3 had a reset interrupt switch (icon at (6, 7).
That being said, if you know why there are icons for the "programmer's switch" icon (6, 6) and LocalTalk (at (2, 8)), which died out with the Old World Macs, send answers on a postcard...
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by Elosha on Thursday August 07, 2025 @01:48AM
(#44821021)
The whole NeXT GUI widget set, as well as Rhapsody GUI widget set, and several 80‘s style NeXT tool icons, are still in Mac OS 15 in some assets.car file. And before car files where a thing, it must have been either TIFFs or PDFs.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by quink on Thursday August 07, 2025 @04:39AM
(#44822099)
> Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
Echoes like, if you look really closely, how window management without third-party tools is as garbage in 2025 as it was in 1984. Never change, love you Mac.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by reaperducer on Thursday August 07, 2025 @06:27AM
(#44822754)
I'm not sure why the blogger thinks it's weird that macOS has an icon for the iPhone 3G in it. It's for when I plug my iPhone 3G into my M4 Mac to sync my music, as I did just this past weekend.
I also synced one of my iPod Shuffles over the weekend, and can tell you there's also still icons for all of the Shuffles back to the original gum stick ones, and all of the various colors of the other models, plus all of the regular iPods.
Shuffles are great for listening to music in bed because you don't have to worry about rolling over on them.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by eadmund on Thursday August 07, 2025 @06:40AM
(#44822841)
> a server
I used Macs from the 1980s up to 2000 or so, and I was very familiar with that icon of a hand with a tray and some files, but it wasn’t until today that I realised that it was a pun on ‘server’ used to mean what my dialect of English terms a ‘waiter.’
There’s probably a lesson about i18n in there somewhere!
What’s funny to me is how characterless I thought the half-volleyball iMac was at the time, compared to the classic Bondi blue iMac (and its awesome color variations too), but now when I compare it to Apple’s current offerings it has so very much more character. I miss the days of shape and colour and texture.
Re:Mac history echoes in current Mac operating systems
by bitwize on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:26PM
(#44826577)
Apple devices still autocorrect "Emacs" (text editor) to "eMacs" (more than one early 2000s Apple educational-market all-in-one computer). I see the latter frequently on Hackernews and Reddit.
I don't suppose someone can stick them up somewhere?
I believe those icons are used in Network places if a device with a known model is on the local network. The BSOD device would represent Windows PCs with network shares, of course! I also recall seeing the Xserve icon for a qnap NAS on our network.
Setting it to the string RackMac or Xserve should get that icon.
Somebody pulled all the icons and their codes out here: https://callumgare.github.io/macos-device-icons/
[0] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
The Finder shows these icons for network volumes.
How does the Finder determine the model of the remote host? This is metadata in the _device-info._tcp Bonjour service record that is the server advertises. My Synology helpfully shows up as an Xserve, in fact:
While the normal file server showed up as a CRT with the legally distinct windows blue screen
2G isn’t written on the case, but everybody referred to it as “2G” to differentiate it from the newer model.
Maybe add a Dragon print on the cover as well? That would be so cool. I am also an adult.
> Dragon on the cover
I already said I'm in
And if it’s Dell, a built in rattle!
Best comment on HN today.
This is why people say less is more.
Now how do I get rid of extra ports if I don't need them?
My guess is that it's cheapest and lowest-risk to leave them in. It's not like most users are going to encounter them anyway.
That being said, if you know why there are icons for the "programmer's switch" icon (6, 6) and LocalTalk (at (2, 8)), which died out with the Old World Macs, send answers on a postcard...
Here someone even hacked an older version of Mac OS X to actually use the NeXT and Platinum styles: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/110708615280659758
Why not the simpler version that they care less about maintenance and cleaning up obscure corners of the OS?
It's a big world with lots of people doing things other than the median.
Echoes like, if you look really closely, how window management without third-party tools is as garbage in 2025 as it was in 1984. Never change, love you Mac.
I also synced one of my iPod Shuffles over the weekend, and can tell you there's also still icons for all of the Shuffles back to the original gum stick ones, and all of the various colors of the other models, plus all of the regular iPods.
Shuffles are great for listening to music in bed because you don't have to worry about rolling over on them.
I used Macs from the 1980s up to 2000 or so, and I was very familiar with that icon of a hand with a tray and some files, but it wasn’t until today that I realised that it was a pun on ‘server’ used to mean what my dialect of English terms a ‘waiter.’
There’s probably a lesson about i18n in there somewhere!
What’s funny to me is how characterless I thought the half-volleyball iMac was at the time, compared to the classic Bondi blue iMac (and its awesome color variations too), but now when I compare it to Apple’s current offerings it has so very much more character. I miss the days of shape and colour and texture.