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Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by samrus on Thursday July 31, 2025 @04:44AM (#44743670)
Thats last part is either naive or just shilling.

The problems isnt the cogs, its the business owners setting up the incentives. Providing reasoned support is expensive from a time and effort perspective, so they dont invest in it. Service reps are specifically trained and incentivized to just fuzzy match the SOPs

And AI cant reason either, so it wont be able to provide any real reasoned support either. And the pwners dont care because they already provide shit service, people like you will just hype the AI up and then make excuses for it when its just as shit

Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by random3 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @05:27AM (#44743897)
Shilling what? AI in general? What’s the incentive? Hype is harder to argue. LLMs are defective attempts at AI, but that’s also a huge blind spot— effectively confounding AI and AI progress with a specific instance like LLMs.

Business incentive— if you can make an argument on why would a corporation provide shit support to its own employees you win. Also make an argument on why support is actually good at Amazon and others like them. So I don’t buy your argument on incentives either. Although there are other implications related to incentives and AI in general, but those are off topic.

Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by ethbr1 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @05:32AM (#44743912)
The part that seems to be missing these days, that was historically present in support orgs, is escalation.

You’re always going to do the bulk of support through L1, and L1 support is going to be limited in terms of training and access.

But! The intended flow is that L1 recognizes when an issue exceeds their ability and escalates it up to L2+. And that’s where your talented (and empowered!) support engineers work.

That escalation just doesn’t seem to happen any more.

My hypothesis is that it’s a consequence of L1 being outsourced, where now they’re heavily incentivized to avoid escalating and impacting their probably-contractual KPIs.

Yet another cost for adding too many parties to something that could be better if it were simpler.

Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by dragonwriter on Thursday July 31, 2025 @05:37AM (#44743940)
> Yet another cost for adding too many parties to something that could be better if it were simpler.

But its not a cost from the perspective of the companies doj the outsourcing: the incentives are the way they are because the result is intended. Its not a cost of adding an extra party, it is part of the reason the party is added.

Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by ethbr1 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @06:07AM (#44744095)
I think you’re overestimating intentionality in bad outcomes.

It’s entirely possible for a whole organization to want a good outcome, but construct an org chart where bad outcomes are guaranteed by the misaligned and incomplete incentives for sub-divisions.

E.g. the IT support org that is only measured on total spend and time to ticket closure

Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Thursday July 31, 2025 @08:23AM (#44744910)
> It’s entirely possible for a whole organization to ... construct an org chart

You changed actors mid-sentence. The workers in the organization may want good outcomes but they are near-invariably separate from the people making decisions for the organization.

Re:You know what: Microsoft became miserably incompetent in IT by ethbr1 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @10:39AM (#44746166)
No, I said it exactly as I meant it.

The organization (including the bulk of employees and executive leadership) may want a good outcome, but sub-divisions’ (aka the org chart) may have have their self-interests set to inevitably produce a bad outcome.