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Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by rumblefrog on Wednesday July 23, 2025 @10:09PM (#44666137)
I find the map the most interesting map: https://map.bgp.tools/

And did not know Mercedes holds such a large block (53.0.0.0/8), and it appears to be mostly dark or unused.

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by mike_d on Wednesday July 23, 2025 @11:16PM (#44666512)
The map also does a good job showing why we need to do away with multicast/class E and reuse the address space.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by kortilla on Thursday July 24, 2025 @12:15AM (#44666861)
You can’t use multicast because multicast addresses work today on private networks
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by doughecka on Thursday July 24, 2025 @12:16AM (#44666870)
Lol, then what do we do with all the multicast traffic?
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by ranger_danger on Thursday July 24, 2025 @01:01AM (#44667117)
Surely something from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_IP_addresses could be repurposed?
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by teddyh on Thursday July 24, 2025 @03:19AM (#44667899)
Why? It would be to the benefit of relatively few and be an enormous technical problem for everyone for decades. If we did this, the IPv4 addresses would run out again after a few months at most, leaving us all in the same position we are in today, but also with a huge technical problem of fixing all the old devices which had these now-repurposed networks hardcoded.

If you are fine with doing the work of obsoleting old equipment, then just start using IPv6.

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by yardstick on Thursday July 24, 2025 @02:20AM (#44667554)
240/4 can be hijacked/used as private IP space currently by a lot of devices. I think Windows might be the hold out. But for internal routing and IoT it’s very useful. Can never be used as publicly routable space.

I’d like to see it added to the official list of private space alongside RFC1918.

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by globular-toast on Thursday July 24, 2025 @02:42AM (#44667678)
Not sure why you'd need more than 10/8, but I suppose it looks even cooler too those who know and find such things cool.

Does Windoze prevent you from using certain IPv4 addresses?

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by Hikikomori on Thursday July 24, 2025 @03:13AM (#44667862)
Aws sized companies, we also use them in aws. And no doesn't work on windows.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by throw0101b on Thursday July 24, 2025 @09:59AM (#44670774)
> Not sure why you'd need more than 10/8

Large organizations have moved to IPv6 because they, and everyone else, are using 10/8, and so when mergers and acquisitions happen trying to connect the networks together becomes a nightmare.

See this talk from Wells Fargo as an example:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzTWjNUb4H4

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by yardstick on Thursday July 24, 2025 @07:38PM (#44677676)
The pain of merging acquired company networks cannot be overstated!

IPv6 can help, but in my experience there's just soo much old IPv4 tech that no one is prepared to migrate to IPv6.

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by mrbluecoat on Thursday July 24, 2025 @07:39AM (#44669509)
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by teaearlgraycold on Thursday July 24, 2025 @02:14AM (#44667513)
Holy cow. Didn’t realize there is an entire /4 reserved for future use.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by sgjohnson on Thursday July 24, 2025 @07:20PM (#44677525)
No. It will take 10 years for everyone to update their router configuration/software to treat the new “formely-reserved” addresses as global unicast. There’s no point in doing that whatsoever. That effort would be spent much better by adopting IPv6.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by Faaak on Thursday July 24, 2025 @03:20AM (#44667905)
and what, earn 5 more years till we have the same problem?
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by RedShift1 on Thursday July 24, 2025 @06:31AM (#44669082)
That's a problem for the people in 5 years
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by icedchai on Thursday July 24, 2025 @08:48AM (#44670004)
At this point, time would be better spent moving to IPv6, don't you think?
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by mike_d on Thursday July 24, 2025 @01:34PM (#44673588)
We have been trying to deploy IPv6 for 20 years now. This would be comparatively easier and buy us another 20 years to finish v6 deployment.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by icedchai on Thursday July 24, 2025 @02:55PM (#44674630)
A ton of old equipment would need to be upgraded to use 240/4 for IPv4 unicast. We'd run into weird issues where it works for some people and not others. I'm not convinced. If this was done 25 years ago, maybe.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by zamadatix on Thursday July 24, 2025 @01:57PM (#44673874)
And 50% of the internet traffic is IPv6. The proposal here is to introduce a separate (arguably harder) change which would start at 0% support again. Beyond that, it'd just be a temporary fix.

Just 240/4 allowed specifically for private network use (like the 10/8 range)... that I could get behind though. This would still exclude 255.255.255.255/32 of course.

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by UltraSane on Friday July 25, 2025 @12:33AM (#44679604)
The problem is that you can't really move completely to IPv6. You actually will have to run both IPv4 and IPv6 networks indefinitely. Which isn't a lot of fun.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by icedchai on Friday July 25, 2025 @09:45AM (#44683062)
Now, yes. But eventually, we'll reach a tipping point where that isn't necessary. When? Your guess is as good as mine.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by UltraSane on Friday July 25, 2025 @05:29PM (#44688707)
"You actually will have to run both IPv4 and IPv6 networks *indefinitely*."
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by Dagger2 on Sunday July 27, 2025 @09:04PM (#44706197)
Sure you can. You can do it today even, let alone in some unspecified number of years.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by 9dev on Thursday July 24, 2025 @03:18AM (#44667893)
Does anyone know what the red striped sections are? Hovering them only yields < <range> is excluded from scanning, but that doesn’t say much
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by gnfargbl on Thursday July 24, 2025 @03:43AM (#44668060)
They're part of AS749, which is US Department of Defense IP space that appears to be unused and which, based on public statements made by the Pentagon, might just be safely parked or might be part of a network scanning observatory [1]. Either way, scanning that space is probably a waste of bandwidth.

[1] https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/ip-address-squatting

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by wereHamster on Thursday July 24, 2025 @04:56AM (#44668553)
> Either way, scanning that space is probably a waste of bandwidth

That's what the DoD wants you to think ;)

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by blahlabs on Thursday July 24, 2025 @05:43AM (#44668830)
Maybe a bit off topic, but years ago I had a home linux server, used for usenet/torrenting. I was just poking about on it one day and ran some variation of netstat and could see a connection with a 6.x.x.x range IP address, which stood out. I didn't know a whole lot about networking at the time (still don't), couldn't say if I had misinterpreted what I saw in the netstat output. But it stood out so I looked it up and hoo-boy, it was a shock to see who owned that IP range, Army Information Systems Centre. I chalked it up to them maybe running a torrent tracker or something, or was the DoD in my PC?
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by bugsMarathon88 on Thursday July 24, 2025 @01:53PM (#44673816)
Service providers (especially mobile ones) often squat on large, unused IP blocks (of which the DoD has plenty of), especially at peak capacity. I suspect this is what occurred here.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by Cthulhu_ on Thursday July 24, 2025 @04:23AM (#44668358)
I'd guess they bought a whole block early on because they could and it wasn't too expensive yet. I wonder if they could be compelled to auction it off. But they might be using it a lot internally.

(a lot of guesswork in this comment, I don't know anything lol)

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by bananapub on Thursday July 24, 2025 @04:37AM (#44668425)
no, no one bought anything, they just emailed some dude and said "hey we're connecting to The Internet, we need some IPs" and the reply was "here is the 2^24 IP addresses dedicated to you".
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by everfrustrated on Thursday July 24, 2025 @09:59AM (#44670769)
In the early days no money changed hands at all. You just asked for a block and got one.
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by jaza on Thursday July 24, 2025 @08:09AM (#44669692)
See "List of assigned /8 blocks to commercial organizations" at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addre...

Mercedes-Benz isn't the only corporation with its own /8 block - although it is the only non-US one; and it's a pretty small exclusive list, only six in total. I guess someone at Mercedes-Benz just happened to hear about this Internet thing relatively early (53.0.0.0/8 was registered Oct 1993 according to Wikipedia - the relevant European authority, RIPE NCC, was only founded in Apr 1992), and/or happened to have a buddy at IANA / RIPE NCC, and the rest is history.

Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by justusthane on Thursday July 24, 2025 @12:33PM (#44672740)
The XKCD Map of the Internet is good too (2006): https://www.xkcd.com/195/
Re:BGP.Tools: Browse the Internet Ecosystem by nocoiner on Thursday July 24, 2025 @10:02PM (#44678654)
Just a fascinating map. Like looking into Neuromancer’s cyberspace.

Is there a legend of what the different colors mean?