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Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by oh_my_goodness on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:04PM (#44610763)
Even if this were true, at 0.15 USD/kWh it would cost more than just buying the gold. Even excluding cost of cleaning up the radioactivity, the equipment, labor, everything except the power.

A GW-year is 8760 GWh. That's 8760/5000 = 1.75 GWh per kg of gold. At 0.15 USD/kWh, a GWh costs $150k US. So 1.75GWh costs about $263k. A kg of gold costs about 100k US.

Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by modeless on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:08PM (#44610795)
The gold is a byproduct of generating the electricity. You still get to sell the electricity too.
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by dwattttt on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:15PM (#44610859)
Gold is atomically heavier than iron, fusing gold costs energy. The language in the article is ambiguous, but I believe the energy quoted is a cost.
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by floxy on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:23PM (#44610929)
They are engineering their tritium breeding to produce excess neutrons to transmute the mercury to gold.
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by modeless on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:16PM (#44610872)
It's produced from mercury
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by MrLeap on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:25PM (#44610942)
Right, fusion stops being a net producer of energy on atoms heavier than iron.

A star’s fusion reaction ceases when too much of its core turns to iron.

Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by modeless on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:37PM (#44611041)
Mercury is heavier than gold so it's a fission reaction.
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by MrLeap on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:29PM (#44611383)
Ah yeah, that slid by me.
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by amelius on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:18PM (#44610889)
Yeah, but the gold price is going to drop ...
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by oh_my_goodness on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:11PM (#44610825)
Wait, really?
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by one-note on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:12PM (#44610838)
> Using our approach, power plants can generate five thousand kilograms of gold per year, per gigawatt of electricity generation (~2.5 GWth), without any compromise to fuel self-sufficiency or power output.
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by snickerdoodle12 on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:12PM (#44610837)
Third paragraph from the post, in bold:

> Using our approach, power plants can generate five thousand kilograms of gold per year, per gigawatt of electricity generation (~2.5 GWth), without any compromise to fuel self-sufficiency or power output.

Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by floxy on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:13PM (#44610849)
Yes, that is their selling point

https://www.marathonfusion.com/alchemy.pdf

Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by kristianp on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:48PM (#44611121)
This is such a fun topic to think about, it's nearly science-fiction. The problem with fusion plants is that they don't exist except as small experimental reactors. I think this could be retrofitted to existing fission plants, pumping mercury 198 gas around the outside of the core (in heat-resistant pipes of course). Still an expensive proposition as you'd want to certify that it's not going to affect the safety and reaction rates of the reactor.

Another thought is that gold is a useful product, so anything that reduces the price of gold is good for the industries that use it. Are there other rare elements that are more useful, though?

Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by stubish on Saturday July 19, 2025 @03:37AM (#44613384)
I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime. Designing the reactors, building the prototype, building the real power plant... 30 years minimum. Then waiting another 13 years for the gold to stop being radioactive (although maybe radioactive gold sitting unmoving in a vault is worth as much as non-radioactive gold sitting unmoving in a vault if you pay your finance guys enough). And it requires high electricity prices to be profitable at all, so a bet against renewable energy generation and battery storage in that time frame (we don't have a shortage of gold). But yes, if you could create tantulum or something similar (expensive, in short supply, not artificially scarce because of hoarding)
Re:Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs... by a1371 on Friday July 18, 2025 @07:10PM (#44610812)
15 cents per kWh is much more expensive than what you buy electricity for around the world. Also, they can time their usage for when the electricity is free or very cheap