News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by znpy on Thursday July 17, 2025 @07:41AM (#44592197)
> Am I missing something…?

Yes. You can process data “one time” without further access, you don’t need to use data to train an llm to do those kind of stuff.

Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by jsnell on Thursday July 17, 2025 @07:44AM (#44592213)
Your data is not being used to train an LLM even if you click "yes" to this.
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by malfist on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:03AM (#44592370)
And you know this how?
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by Mordisquitos on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:08AM (#44592414)
To be fair, can you even know they won't do it if you click "no"?
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by danpalmer on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:27AM (#44592543)
Disclaimer, I work at Google, but I recommend reading the ToS for Google consumer and business services, and I believe the short version of the policies on this have been documented on the Google blog several times. I can't comment on the policy directly, but encourage you to research it, there's a pretty straightforward answer.

Separately, the industry standard elsewhere appears to be that if you're a free user your data is used for training, and if you're a paying user it's not.

Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by darthcloud on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:35AM (#44592614)
It's so straightforward that you can't comment on it without risking retaliation?
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by blitzar on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:16AM (#44593057)
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by selcuka on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:41AM (#44592677)
I am either reading the wrong ToS, or not getting it [1]:

    Permission to use your content
    [...]
    This license is for the limited purpose of:
    [...]
    - developing new technologies and services for Google consistent with these terms
The last item sounds like Google can use my content to train an LLM, no?

[1] https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en-US#toc-content

Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by danpalmer on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:15PM (#44642281)
Do you have a free or paid account? What are the terms for paid accounts?
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by selcuka on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @08:00PM (#44654338)
I had assumed that the GP comment [1] was about both paid and free accounts.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44592213

Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by jsnell on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:05AM (#44592933)
Workspace has published policies about how the customer's data may be used: https://support.google.com/a/answer/15706919

> Your content is not used for any other customers. Your content is not human reviewed or used for Generative AI model training outside your domain without permission.

And I think the default assumption has to be that those policies are actually followed. If you think they aren't, the burden of proof is on you to show they aren't.

Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by a0123 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:56AM (#44593479)
What the OP of that comment and yourself have missed is that Google is not trustworthy enough to give it permission, which the user you're responding to pretty much suggested as a solution (Google should be trustworthy to be given a one-off permission).

The amount of times Google has been caught out doing things they shouldn't be means that no, no one has to prove that it's a reasonable assumption that Google follows policies, not even their own.

It's for you to prove that they can be trusted (good luck with that!).

Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by mvdtnz on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:01PM (#44596874)
In that case what do you care if you click yes or no? If you don't trust Google to abide by their own terms what makes you think they'll respect your "no"? Surely at that level of trust you would just stop using their product?
Re:Gmail/Google starts disabling features unless you agree t... by notyourwork on Thursday July 17, 2025 @07:48AM (#44592249)
And meta hasn’t pirated the world’s library… it’s business as usual.