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Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by MrJohz on Saturday June 28, 2025 @12:30PM (#44405965)
As someone living in Germany, that philosophy of "we don't have the right to intervene or say anything" is definitely embedded in the culture here. Obviously there are plenty of people who don't follow this philosophy, and there are left-wing pro-Palestine movements here as well, but overall there's a big cultural sense of obligation to Israel due to Germany's history.

A friend of mine even ended up talking to a German diplomat in Israel, who said much the same thing: they could cosign other nations' condemnations of Israeli actions when they happened, but they couldn't condemn Israeli actions unilaterally. Obviously that was just his opinion and not an official viewpoint of the German government, but I found it fascinating that Germany still felt this sense of needing to make things right to Israel specifically.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Cyph0n on Saturday June 28, 2025 @01:27PM (#44406461)
The funniest part to me about all this is that Germany is the absolute last country on this planet to lecture the rest of us on how to criticize Israel. The grandchildren of Nazis can feel guilty all they want, but the moral grandstanding and patronizing is just peak irony.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by MrJohz on Saturday June 28, 2025 @03:55PM (#44407648)
Is Germany lecturing anyone else here? I think I'm missing some context to your comment.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Cyph0n on Saturday June 28, 2025 @04:45PM (#44408028)
Have you not been following the German government’s position and statements on the Gaza conflict?
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by lostlogin on Saturday June 28, 2025 @02:15PM (#44406875)
Weird take. When does it end? Do you feel guilt and hold your tongue on subjects where your country has a history of doing bad? What’s the time limit? 100 years? 10000?
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Cyph0n on Saturday June 28, 2025 @02:33PM (#44406996)
They’re rabidly and actively supporting & covering for a genocide, and have been working tirelessly to suppress all internal dissent to this position (good old Stasi days peeking from under the covers).

Further, they’re going to lengths no other European country is going to in pursuit of this goal of covering for a genocide, all out of national guilt? It is a delusional position to take.

Now, if they actually were holding their tongue on this instead of providing unconditional support and cover, no one would be bringing up that these are the grandchildren of Nazis lecturing us about the right thing to do here :)

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by ath3nd on Saturday June 28, 2025 @03:26PM (#44407427)
> Germany is the absolute last country on this planet to lecture the rest of us on how to criticize Israel

What a bad take. Germany, if it learned its lessons from the Holocaust, which was a genocide they did on the Jewish population, is absolutely the FIRST country in the world to teach Israel that what it's doing is absolutely abhorrent. Don't repeat my mistakes, so to say.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Cyph0n on Saturday June 28, 2025 @03:30PM (#44407467)
> if it learned its lessons from the Holocaust

It clearly did not, because it is actively supporting a genocide right now.

Anyhow, I can’t be bothered to spend too much time expanding on this position - so you’ll have to either get it or not. I don’t care either way tbh.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by ath3nd on Saturday June 28, 2025 @04:14PM (#44407803)
We are on the same page. Germany IS supporting Israel's genocide on Palestine right now.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Cyph0n on Saturday June 28, 2025 @06:18PM (#44408647)
So they perpetrated the Holocaust, claimed that they learned from their mistakes and drowned themselves in guilt, and now act as holier than thou unconditional defenders of Israel as it commits a genocide in Gaza.

If they want to support a genocide - regardless of who the perpetrator is - then they’re tacitly admitting that they have learnt nothing and are just following in the footsteps of their Third Reich forefathers.

At least the Japanese didn’t drown us with hypocritical bullshit about guilt and repentance.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by ath3nd on Saturday June 28, 2025 @06:42PM (#44408787)
> So they perpetrated the Holocaust, claimed that they learned from their mistakes and drowned themselves in guilt, and now act as holier than thou unconditional defenders of Israel as it commits a genocide in Gaza.

Yes, because they haven't learned shit from their past.