Or this is the story line that US politicians have bought and unpacked after being hand delivered by AIPAC with a brief case of money plus a set of blackmail love letters waiting to be leaked if they don’t take it.
I am convinced that our govt never had spine to stand up for freedom unless Israel/lobbyists were behind it. They quarrel amongst themselves because of Israel and agree in large numbers because of Israel.
There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against?
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incid...
Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US? I will definitely avoid travelling to the US due to the Trump Administration's hostility towards immigrants. These screening policies will probably remain in place under the next administration.
There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments?
> Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US.
What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?
I'm not sure the DHS is protecting anyone other than the Trump Administration's narratives at this point.
I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago. I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance.
That comment was in response to : "Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US." I was asking what trump critics or commies have to do with israel or "antisemitism".
> That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power.
Right. A policy specifically tailored for israel has nothing to do with israel. The prime minister of israel asked the US government to attack US colleges for "antisemitism" because so many college students were protesting against israel's genocide against palestinians. I'm sure that has nothing to do with israel also.
> I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago.
What does this even mean? Also, do you think just randomly throwing in the "holocaust" is making an argument?
> I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance.
What?
I asked a simple question of why so many US politicians act like lackeys to israel. And every response so far has been awkward and obvious. Let me guess, you're next door neighbor is a holocaust survivor.
Literal thoughts and prayers.
I have no horse in this race. But what folks say, whether prayers for peace or death to Israel, shouldn’t matter in a hot war.
Lots of folks are being gunned down. Nobody, particularly not those who claim to represent Jewish interests, gives a fuck.
Surely you aren't suggesting political power is just about the numbers? That one group of 6 million people has the same political sway as any other block of 6 million?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t...
Also
I'm an Evangelical, and like many others, I don’t prioritize foreign policy through the lens of Israeli politics. Our core mandate is global discipleship, not geopolitical allegiance.
For example, "support for Israel among evangelicals is largely based on age and Biblical knowledge and has not been substantively impacted by the current Israel-Hamas war in Gaza... a belief that "God's covenant with the Jewish people remains intact today" has the greatest impact on support for Israel among a number of potential political, theological, sociological, and demographic factors... evangelical support for Israel remains stable from 2021 to 2024, though earlier surveys did show a sharp decline in evangelical support for Israel between 2018 and 2021...A decrease in core evangelical behavior like attending church and reading the Bible. Past studies have shown that these religious practices increase support for Israel."[2]
In addition, "The only U.S. religious groups that have a majority favorable view toward Israel are Jews (at 73%) and Protestants (at 57%), according to the survey. In particular, 72% of white evangelicals view Israel favorably... Among American Jews, 53% do not have confidence in Netanyahu and 45% do. The only U.S. religious group to demonstrate confidence in Netanyahu is white evangelical Protestants."[3] And once again, these groups are not comparable in size meaning there are a lot more supportive Evangelicals than supportive Jews.
There is also the matter of the US's current ambassador to Israel being an Evangelical who texts the president stuff like this[4].
[1] - https://www.newsweek.com/israel-poll-gen-z-biden-election-19...
[2] - https://religionnews.com/2024/06/03/new-study-measures-senti...
[3] - https://www.jta.org/2025/04/09/united-states/most-americans-...
[4] - https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2025/06/17/trump-posts-fa...
According to Jimmy Carter:
"The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations — but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices.
It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians."
https://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-carter8dec08-story.html
Carter was of course widely (and absurdly) slandered as an antisemite. He probably wouldn't get a visa.
Let's fact check, I have almost zero interest in US politics and know two members of Congress speaking frequently in defense of Palestine (Ilhan Omar and AOC). In fact, both called for ceasefire while Hamas terrorists were still in Israel. Ihlan criticized Israel even before the election to Congress. Was it almost politically suicidal for them?
He didn't say that.
> know two members of Congress speaking frequently in defense of Palestine
This is your evidence? Really? I mean, do you guys hear yourselves?
Two members of congress? Out of hundreds? Two members who, might I remind everyone, are constantly accused of being anti-American communists?
> Was it almost politically suicidal for them?
Yes! These two are treated like the scum of the Earth by 100% of the American right and 80% of the American left!
It's not even debatable that the US is absurdly pro-Israel. I don't know what we're even arguing here. Zionists should all agree that Zionism is good, right? So why are we arguing that Zionists are some sort of minority? You should be ecstatic that our government is explicitly Zionist!
Sure, you replace "Jews" by "Zionists" and then every trope is ok. It's Zionists who have the power to influence or direct US government behavior (i.e., control it).
> Two members of congress? Out of hundreds?
Well yeah, to show something possible it's enough to show one example.
> Yes!
How is being elected to Congress political suicide?
> It's not even debatable that the US is absurdly pro-Israel.
I'm not debating that. I'm debating the idea that this is somehow doing of evil Zionist lobby or that repeating antisemitic tropes is not antisemitic because you euphemize Jews by Zionists
Yes, because Zionism and Judaism are not related. Zionism is the belief that Jews are entitled to a Jewish Ethnostate and they may create that state through violence and colonialism.
That has nothing to do with being Jewish. I would wager the majority of Jews are not Zionists. And being not-Jewish doesn't make you not-Zionist. The Third Reich were Zionists.
> Well yeah, to show something possible it's enough to show one example.
That was never the argument. The argument was that the US government is explicitly Zionist. Which they are. Nobody is claiming literally everyone within our government is a Zionist. Because that's stupid and obviously not true. You're creating a strawman.
> euphemize Jews by Zionists
Nobody is doing this. They're calling Zionists Zionists because said Zionists are saying "I am a Zionist". These policies, for example, are explicitly Zionist. The US government is explicitly Zionist.
AIPAC used almost 20 million dollars to defeat Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, for example.
> Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
That's awfully anti-Semitic thinking of you, buddy. ICE HSI would like to know your current location for your free trip to the gulag.
Imagine if DHS said they are going to ban anyone who criticizes china or russia or saudi arabia from traveling to the US? Both the republicans and democratics would be raising hell. Why the silence when it comes to israel?
What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? Why is it that so much of our political class openly and unabashedly act like agents of israel? Doesn't matter who you vote for. Republican or democrat. As soon as they are elected, they all grovel for israel. How many wars are we going to fight for israel? How many american colleges are we going to attack for israel? How many people are we going to censor for israel? Just doesn't make any sense.