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Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by const_cast on Thursday June 19, 2025 @03:54PM (#44321984)
> Oh yeah, "Jews control the government", such a new trope that has nothing to do with antisemitism.

He didn't say that.

> know two members of Congress speaking frequently in defense of Palestine

This is your evidence? Really? I mean, do you guys hear yourselves?

Two members of congress? Out of hundreds? Two members who, might I remind everyone, are constantly accused of being anti-American communists?

> Was it almost politically suicidal for them?

Yes! These two are treated like the scum of the Earth by 100% of the American right and 80% of the American left!

It's not even debatable that the US is absurdly pro-Israel. I don't know what we're even arguing here. Zionists should all agree that Zionism is good, right? So why are we arguing that Zionists are some sort of minority? You should be ecstatic that our government is explicitly Zionist!

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by EvgeniyZh on Thursday June 19, 2025 @04:22PM (#44322213)
> He didn't say that.

Sure, you replace "Jews" by "Zionists" and then every trope is ok. It's Zionists who have the power to influence or direct US government behavior (i.e., control it).

> Two members of congress? Out of hundreds?

Well yeah, to show something possible it's enough to show one example.

> Yes!

How is being elected to Congress political suicide?

> It's not even debatable that the US is absurdly pro-Israel.

I'm not debating that. I'm debating the idea that this is somehow doing of evil Zionist lobby or that repeating antisemitic tropes is not antisemitic because you euphemize Jews by Zionists

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by const_cast on Thursday June 19, 2025 @04:27PM (#44322246)
> Sure, you replace "Jews" by "Zionists" and then every trope is ok

Yes, because Zionism and Judaism are not related. Zionism is the belief that Jews are entitled to a Jewish Ethnostate and they may create that state through violence and colonialism.

That has nothing to do with being Jewish. I would wager the majority of Jews are not Zionists. And being not-Jewish doesn't make you not-Zionist. The Third Reich were Zionists.

> Well yeah, to show something possible it's enough to show one example.

That was never the argument. The argument was that the US government is explicitly Zionist. Which they are. Nobody is claiming literally everyone within our government is a Zionist. Because that's stupid and obviously not true. You're creating a strawman.

> euphemize Jews by Zionists

Nobody is doing this. They're calling Zionists Zionists because said Zionists are saying "I am a Zionist". These policies, for example, are explicitly Zionist. The US government is explicitly Zionist.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by jampekka on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:16PM (#44323028)
> Well yeah, to show something possible it's enough to show one example.

AIPAC used almost 20 million dollars to defeat Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, for example.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by EvgeniyZh on Friday June 20, 2025 @01:39AM (#44325029)
So out of 9 members of "the Squad", 7 were reelected and only 2 outed? Quite inefficient suicide in my book.