> There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against?

There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments?

> Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US.

What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?

> Why isn't DHS protecting them?

I'm not sure the DHS is protecting anyone other than the Trump Administration's narratives at this point.

Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US, so you don’t need to put antisemitism in scare quotes. That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power.

I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago. I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance.

> Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US, so you don’t need to put antisemitism in scare quotes.

That comment was in response to : "Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US." I was asking what trump critics or commies have to do with israel or "antisemitism".

> That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power.

Right. A policy specifically tailored for israel has nothing to do with israel. The prime minister of israel asked the US government to attack US colleges for "antisemitism" because so many college students were protesting against israel's genocide against palestinians. I'm sure that has nothing to do with israel also.

> I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago.

What does this even mean? Also, do you think just randomly throwing in the "holocaust" is making an argument?

> I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance.

What?

I asked a simple question of why so many US politicians act like lackeys to israel. And every response so far has been awkward and obvious. Let me guess, you're next door neighbor is a holocaust survivor.

> Jews still pray prayers written during the Crusades asking for peace in the Middle East

Literal thoughts and prayers.

I have no horse in this race. But what folks say, whether prayers for peace or death to Israel, shouldn’t matter in a hot war.

I was using it as an illustrative example, so the contents of the prayers don’t matter, they could have been praying to see unicorns. Did you read the comment?

> Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US

Lots of folks are being gunned down. Nobody, particularly not those who claim to represent Jewish interests, gives a fuck.

There are more Jews in Israel than the US, but it's close. Roughly, 6mil to 7mil.

There are also roughly 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US who are strongly in favor of political support of Israel too. It is a little silly to think the American position on this is exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people who will overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats anyway.

" exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people "

Surely you aren't suggesting political power is just about the numbers? That one group of 6 million people has the same political sway as any other block of 6 million?

I wasn't comparing any two blocks of 6m people. I was comparing a specific group of 6m to a specific group of 100m. Do you think the 6m American Jews have more political power than the 100m American Evangelical Christians?

The answer is yes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t...

The answer is yes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t...

Also

https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973

I'm unclear on why you think those links answer my question. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews? Do you think there aren't Evangelical leaning PACs or other lobbying groups?

What other PAC has a handler for just about each congressman and congresswoman?

I guess I need to repeat myself. I'm unclear on why you think that question answers my questions. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews?

Not true. That assumption reflects a dated and oversimplified narrative. Most Evangelicals under 50 give no special status to Israel. No scripture instructs modern Christians to give political Israel special treatment.

I'm an Evangelical, and like many others, I don’t prioritize foreign policy through the lens of Israeli politics. Our core mandate is global discipleship, not geopolitical allegiance.

You are right that young Evangelicals are less supportive of Israel, but that is an overall trend in the US[1] and not specific to Evangelicals. Maybe the rest of what you said is true about your specific church, but it doesn't seem to match the general polling data.

For example, "support for Israel among evangelicals is largely based on age and Biblical knowledge and has not been substantively impacted by the current Israel-Hamas war in Gaza... a belief that "God's covenant with the Jewish people remains intact today" has the greatest impact on support for Israel among a number of potential political, theological, sociological, and demographic factors... evangelical support for Israel remains stable from 2021 to 2024, though earlier surveys did show a sharp decline in evangelical support for Israel between 2018 and 2021...A decrease in core evangelical behavior like attending church and reading the Bible. Past studies have shown that these religious practices increase support for Israel."[2]

In addition, "The only U.S. religious groups that have a majority favorable view toward Israel are Jews (at 73%) and Protestants (at 57%), according to the survey. In particular, 72% of white evangelicals view Israel favorably... Among American Jews, 53% do not have confidence in Netanyahu and 45% do. The only U.S. religious group to demonstrate confidence in Netanyahu is white evangelical Protestants."[3] And once again, these groups are not comparable in size meaning there are a lot more supportive Evangelicals than supportive Jews.

There is also the matter of the US's current ambassador to Israel being an Evangelical who texts the president stuff like this[4].

[1] - https://www.newsweek.com/israel-poll-gen-z-biden-election-19...

[2] - https://religionnews.com/2024/06/03/new-study-measures-senti...

[3] - https://www.jta.org/2025/04/09/united-states/most-americans-...

[4] - https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2025/06/17/trump-posts-fa...