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Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by jrflowers on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:19AM (#44296824)
This makes sense because experience doesn’t affect how a person reasons. This is why all truth is agreed upon
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by bowsamic on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @05:37AM (#44297264)
I know you’re being sarcastic but indeed if we reasoned properly we would all agree
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by sethammons on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @06:13AM (#44297447)
A common fallacy is that if you and I are smart then we will agree. Conflicts of interest and personal value systems and world views provide easy inlets for various counter points.
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by bowsamic on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @07:13AM (#44297744)
Well it isn’t a fallacy because if you reason without presuppositions you do uncover the absolute truth
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by haswell on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @08:58AM (#44298599)
> if you reason without presuppositions

This cannot be accomplished, and the conclusion that such a feat leads to absolute truth is philosophically untenable.

Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by bowsamic on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @12:29PM (#44300949)
Yes it can. Hegel did it in the Science of Logic
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by haswell on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @01:01PM (#44301259)
Many people have made philosophical claims. That does not make them categorically true, and Hegel certainly has his critics.
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by jrflowers on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @03:43PM (#44303070)
I used to know a guy that read some Hegel and then claimed dominion over Knowing the Truth and I used to piss him off by saying shit like “dogmatic people are slaves to their fears” and “discourse is a form of oppression”
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by quesera on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:52PM (#44303832)
And what elevates Hegel over any other philosopher, prophet, god, or performance artist?
Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by jrflowers on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @10:19PM (#44306093)
Hegel is extremely satisfying on an emotional level to some readers. The idea that you —yes you, the reader— not only stand at the precipice of unfettered genius by the mere fact of possessing any critical faculty, but you also already possess the requisite tools to seize and contemplate the infinite truths of the universe, is very seductive.

Like everybody loves being told that they are smart, and Hegel tells the reader that they can be superlatively intelligent. It’s a hella thrilling idea to entertain, and the best way to keep that feeling going is by believing that it’s true, and the best way to convince yourself of that is to write defenses of Hegel.

Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by krelian on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @12:44PM (#44301095)
> know you’re being sarcastic but indeed if we reasoned properly we would all agree

We would also lose everything that makes us human and will find no satisfaction in knowing.

Re:What Happens When Clergy Take Psilocybin by bowsamic on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @01:54PM (#44301844)
Satisfaction in knowing comes from disagreement? I don’t think so