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Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by skinkestek on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:26AM (#44255949)
I'm currently working at a large public institution in Norway.

Half the team runs Linux, and the only real constraint is using Edge for SSO. (Firefox works too - you just have to actually log in like it's 2008.)

Honestly, everything else runs smoother than what my Windows-using teammates are dealing with.

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by thyristan on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:28AM (#44255958)
That is probably just a setting missing from your Firefox profile that allows your company Kerberos realm/domain. If your institution hasn't locked down your Firefox config, you can fix this yourself: https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_...
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by rcarmo on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:44AM (#44256078)
It’s really not. Edge bundles a number of authentication libraries with the Linux version that enable things like remote passkey support.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by vaylian on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:03AM (#44256212)
What is "remote passkey support"? I am familiar with passkeys (both resident and non-resident). But I haven't heard of remote passkeys yet.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by thyristan on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:41AM (#44256506)
I guess maybe passkeys over some kind of USB/RDP redirection. But searching the internet doesn't yield any useful results. Or maybe something new and proprietary like all those incompatible passkey implementations out there...
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by rcarmo on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:56AM (#44257252)
Bluetooth binding to your mobile device, which then handles MFA with biometrics.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by writebetterc on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:50AM (#44257179)
You can't use KeepassXC + Firefox? Might need to downgrade the KeepassXC browser plugin (because of a bug)
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by rcarmo on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:55AM (#44257243)
Nope. Not even close to the same functionality here.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by maxdamantus on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:21AM (#44256903)
I suspect nowadays it's more likely a matter of integrating with Microsoft's "identity broker", part of Intune, aka "Company Portal".

You use Intune to log in and register your device against your Microsoft account, and microsoft-identity-broker is a DBus service that hands out tokens that can be passed to login.microsoft.com (either as a cookie or a special header) which identifies you (skipping the username/password login) and allows you to pass the company device test.

I was able to put together a working ad-hoc extension for Firefox to make the DBus call and pass the header, though I've since come across this extension (haven't tried it myself) which looks like it achieves the same thing (with a lot more features, based on the code size?):

https://github.com/siemens/linux-entra-sso

Edge on Linux seems to have this built in, so if you open any page on login.microsoft.com, you'll see it passing some "x-something" header with a token that it receieved from the identity broker (generated on each page load).

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by ptx on Thursday June 12, 2025 @01:05PM (#44260065)
How does this work if the conditional access policies require compliance with Microsoft's "security baseline" which involves e.g. checking that the latest Windows updates are installed?

Presumably the Microsoft software running on the Linux machine will report it as non-compliant and prevent you from logging in?

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by maxdamantus on Thursday June 12, 2025 @04:42PM (#44262970)
Microsoft Intune is officially available for Linux. This mechanism doesn't involve making a Linux system pretend it's Windows. It's just about making non-Edge browsers able to authenticate as Edge does.

Microsoft is aware that the authentication is coming from a Linux system, so presumably there are different policies involved.

I don't know how these things are administrated, but the Linux Intune software has a notion of "Compliance" that might involve periodically running some program decided by the company. If Intune decides the system is non-compliant, authentication still works, but Microsoft login knows the compliance status, so it might prevent you from accessing certain applications, depending on what the company has configured.

Also in my experience ability to sign in from Linux can be limited to certain groups, so regular Windows users can't just run Linux without some company approval.

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by AdamN on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:49AM (#44256105)
I feel reasonably confident that if the focus is on open tooling and sovereignty and not saving money then a shift to Linux can 100% work even at large and complex organizations.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by pieds on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:56AM (#44256654)
You are in a sense not wrong, but that is a big if. I can tell that most of HN hasn't actually tried doing this. I have.

Running your own desktop is very different from running at scale. Ever managed to get a package conflict, fail to upgrade the kernel, remove some essential software, "curl | sudo sh" something you shouldn't have or break some configuration? Once every year, month or week? With thousands (and thousands) of installs that is a daily occurence.

Paying Microsoft might feel expensive but is in function affordable. What you are paying compared with what goes into, and have gone into, the ecosystem. I'm unlikely to make this argument in a few sentences. The important part is that even with a decrease in scope you would have to pay more for what you want. Or you would have to offer something else. There just isn't the same talent (or resources) available, but you need more talent.

It is questionable whether open source is compatible with sovereignty. There are definitely reservations if it has worked against big tech, so there should be reservations if it works against a superpower. The most mature distribution for enterprise use is likely Red Hat anyway.

This might just be a very big hurdle if it wasn't for the fact that everything is going the opposite direction. There is about zero political, geopolitical, business or popular will to actually do anything that would make a substantial difference. It might actually be illegal to do so since EU rules enforce competition. And the US would object. Which wouldn't be good news for Maersk and Novo Nordisk. (Carlsberg is not big in the US, probably because of US market regulations. Which is a bit ironic).

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by mrweasel on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:42AM (#44256066)
> using Edge for SSO

May I ask what that SSO solution is? Because it sounds like it might be a Microsoft product.

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by pelagicAustral on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:53AM (#44256138)
Yeah, probably is. I see the same HTTP Auth login when accessing my employers intranet (Sharepoint) from Firefox.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by skinkestek on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:55AM (#44256154)
Honestly, I’m not entirely sure.

I’ve seen the name Forgerock pop up occasionally, but I don’t know if that’s just tied to the login component on the web pages. Also, they recommend Mac users stick with Safari, which is puzzling. I mean: if it was a Microsoft product, you’d think they’d lock it down to Edge on Mac too—so that makes me wonder.

Just my thoughts—could be totally off base.

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by weikju on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:07AM (#44256238)
My guess -- they support Safari because of iOS. And so might as well just support it on Mac too because it's the default... Heck MS even made Teams more officially supported on Safari than Firefox!
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by mrweasel on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:01AM (#44256190)
Forgerock would make sense, though the Edge requirement is a little strange.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by dusted on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:54AM (#44257860)
kerberos is sort of magic when/if you finally get it working
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by heraldgeezer on Thursday June 12, 2025 @06:15PM (#44263778)
>Half the team runs Linux, and the only real constraint is using Edge for SSO. (Firefox works too - you just have to actually log in like it's 2008.)

So everything in the backend is still MS? Office 365, Intune, the full stack? That is the point of the comment you are rerplying to.

The "terminals" dont matter that much if the goal is to get rid of MS dependancy and they run Office 365... whats the point.

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by luuio on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:07PM (#44264517)
Windows licensing cost. They are a pretty penny at large scale.
Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by skinkestek on Friday June 13, 2025 @07:56AM (#44267712)
Sometimes, the goal isn’t actually to switch - it’s to have a credible threat of switching. That alone can bring Microsoft to the table with a whole new attitude toward pricing.

Munich pulled off a version of this around 2010: announce a bold move to Linux and open source, let Microsoft panic, enjoy the sudden price cuts, and quietly stay put.

Personally, I think cost is just one part of the equation. The real value is being in a position where you’re not locked in—and where Microsoft knows it. That leverage is worth more than any licensing discount.

Re:Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office wit... by heraldgeezer on Friday June 13, 2025 @09:00AM (#44268125)
For workstation or laptops?? Non-factor for a business.

It is included in Office 365 E3/E5 that also does Intune device management, apps, Defender, the whole shebang. Nobody cares about individual licence costs.

Windows Server? Yea, that costs for sure, but that's not running on laptops.