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Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by e40 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @03:35AM (#44142643)
Also section 174’s amortization of software development had a big role.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by jki275 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @09:32AM (#44144188)
That's about to get repealed it looks like.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by latchkey on Saturday May 31, 2025 @11:57AM (#44145100)
TACO
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by immibis on Saturday May 31, 2025 @12:04PM (#44145161)
For those unaware, the "TACO trade" is when Wall Street investors trade based on the principle that "Trump Always Chickens Out". For example, buying in a tariff-induced dip on the principle that he'll probably repeal the tariffs.

Now that someone's said to Trump's face that Wall Street thinks he always chickens out, he may or may not stop doing it.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday May 31, 2025 @12:47PM (#44145460)
> Now that someone's said to Trump's face that Wall Street thinks he always chickens out, he may or may not stop doing it

The point is he’s powerless not to. The alternative is allowing a bond rout to trigger a bank collapse, probably in rural America. He didn’t do the prep that produces actual leverage. (Xi did.)

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by harmmonica on Saturday May 31, 2025 @02:53PM (#44146253)
Can you expand on "probably in rural America"? Do you just mean that those smaller community banks are more at risk if rates rise? If so, because they issue more variable rate debt? Or is there something else?

edit: grammar

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday May 31, 2025 @06:00PM (#44147210)
> Do you just mean that those smaller community banks are more at risk if rates rise? If so, because they issue more variable rate debt? Or is there something else?

Current issue is community banks have 3x the commercial real estate exposure of other banks [1]. They're also less liquid and have a lower ROA. So in cases where the shock comes from outside the financial sector, they tend to be the first we worry about.

[1] https://www.fdic.gov/quarterly-banking-profile 33% vs 11% of total assets

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by lazide on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:05PM (#44145590)
Never assume a narcissist will take the sane way out when their game blows up in their face.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by alfiedotwtf on Saturday May 31, 2025 @08:59PM (#44147951)
This was the most interesting thing I found during the past few weeks - even “The US President is the most powerful man in the world” can’t win a war against the bond market.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday May 31, 2025 @10:04PM (#44148171)
> even “The US President is the most powerful man in the world” can’t win a war against the bond market

"You will not find it difficult to prove that battles, campaigns, and even wars have been won or lost primarily because of logistics" (D. D. Eisenhower).

Trump did zero preparation for this trade war. It's still unclear what the ends are, with opposing and contradictory aims being messaged. We launched the war simultaneously against everyone. The formula used to calculate tariffs doesn't make sense. And Trump decided to blow out the deficit and kneecap U.S. state capacity at the same time he's negotiating against himself on trade.

The U.S. President can take on the bond market. Most simply by taking the budget into surplus, thereby threatening its existence. But Trump didn't do that. He didn't even pretend he was going to do that. Instead, he's strategically put himself in a position where he has to chicken out, and it honestly seems like he's surrounded himself with people who are too high, drunk and/or stupid to see that. He's the poker player who shows up at the table, goes all in, looks at his cards and folds in one move.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by immibis on Sunday June 01, 2025 @05:22AM (#44149641)
There's no end - it's just Trump following his learned or innate behaviour.

Same behaviour that bankrupted every institution he's ever been in charge of before. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting different results.

It's possible he'll stop chickening out to win his internal argument against that reporter who said he always chickens out. Feeling like he's winning seems to be important to him and he holds grudges for a long time. In that case the American economy goes bye bye.

We already know he wants to end the dollar reserve currency status, because he said so - trade deficit and reserve currency status are different words for the same thing.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by fuzzfactor on Sunday June 01, 2025 @12:34PM (#44152069)
Trump has never been good enough for the financial structures he has been finagled into the top position of.

So many dumpster fires but only a few official bankruptcies, well that's always what's on the table and anything goes.

Back in the 20th century almost everybody knew that Trump was not trustworthy, especially not with money, give me a break, that's what made him such a tragic/comic character.

It's almost like people forget with any org where he is the ultimate decision-maker, if there is challenging debt with no quick way out, he is more likely than most to declare bankruptcy. Otherwise it would require acumen he has never had to right a faltering ship. Plus he would be bogged down when he wanted to shift his focus to schemes that were more promising to him personally. Like other pie-in-the-sky deals back then, or something like his memecoin today. So many times in different orgs with different/leading personalities it's only a declaration away anyhow. Not normally on the menu for the best of the real decent businessmen, but what do you do when you get one that's far from the best and not even decent?

If there were some deep insight into his personal financial situation over the years, especially recently, there might be a more accurate picture whether he would be inclined to "one day" just decide to declare the whole USA bankrupt and move on to greener pastures himself. Or if the decision has already been made, who knew? Or would believe it yet anyway?

Any President could always have made more money doing something else, the whole time it's only been a matter of integrity, or lack thereof.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by darepublic on Saturday May 31, 2025 @12:55PM (#44145514)
Don't look a gift taco in the mouth
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by esaym on Saturday May 31, 2025 @04:54PM (#44146859)
This
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by latchkey on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:50PM (#44145855)
And the reason why I said it is because 174 is part of Trump's Cut^3 bill from 2017. DOE 174.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by wonderwonder on Saturday May 31, 2025 @08:51PM (#44147920)
yeah, I thought the same thing. Steel tariff announcement is the first real test. Announcing the US Steel merger? / purchase? at the same time I think is part of the plan. I think he is going to stick this one out to prove them wrong. Would be interesting to see if TACO is even real, I could see someone on wall street opening a ton of puts, making the story up and then leaking the fake story to the reporter.

Mission accomplished.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by Lu2025 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @03:18PM (#44146391)
I agree, R&D change is what triggered 2022 tech layoffs. Coders used to be free, all this play with Metaverse and such was on public dime. As soon as a company had to spend real money, it all came crashing down.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by rbultje on Saturday May 31, 2025 @05:09PM (#44146933)
This is a weird take. Employees are supposed to be business expenses, that's the core idea of running a business: profit = revenue - expenses, where expenses are personnel / materials, and pay taxes over profit. Since the R&D change, businesses can't fully expense employees and need to pay (business) taxes over their salaries. Employees - of course - still pay personal taxes also (as was always the case).
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by e40 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @05:50PM (#44147158)
Yeah, free is a bit of a odd take. ! ZIRP + section 174 was a huge simultaneous blow to tech.

I would add one more: me too-ism from CEOs following Musk after the twitter reductions. I think many tech CEOs (e.g., Zuck) hate their workforce with a passion and used the layoff culture to unwind things and bring their workforce to heel (you might be less vocal in this sort of environment... think of the activists that used to work at Google).

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by Lu2025 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @08:51PM (#44147923)
> me too-ism from CEOs following Musk after the twitter reductions

I see evidence of a collusion. My friends at several tech companies (software and hardware) received very similar sounding emails in similar time frame. I think the goal was "salary compression". Management was terrified of the turnover and salary growth so they decided to act. They threw a bunch of people on the labor market at once to cool it down. It would normalize eventually but you don't need long. Fired H1-B holders have to find a new job within 2 months or self deport.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by e40 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @11:15PM (#44148433)
Totally agree. They wanted to mess with supply/demand to lower salaries. A lot of very highly paid people were laid off or forced out. RTO is really about shedding people, too, so let's not forget about that.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by woke_ai_god on Saturday June 07, 2025 @08:39PM (#44213713)
We know all of these tech CEO's were on group chats with each other planning for how to install Trump as monarch. I would think, if you had several billionaires and industry leaders all participating day in and day out in the same secret group chats with each other, it would not be that difficult for them to coordinate layoffs with each other. Turning it from competition against each other for labor, to a cartel which just attempts to break the labor supply.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by sharpshadow on Saturday May 31, 2025 @07:20PM (#44147616)
If a software engineer in a R&D project is using a AI service to develop the software, does the bill count as company business expense or does it fall under section 174?