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Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by mkmk on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:18AM (#44096247)
This is exactly the stuff that prevents innovation and drives entrepreneurs out of those economies. Physical address?!
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by niemandhier on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:31AM (#44096367)
It can be a letterbox. The point is that there needs to be a way to contact a company in such a way that message delivery is provable and legally binding.

AFAIK no universally adopted modern form of communication fulfills both.

How do the US solve this problem ?

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by mousetree on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:35AM (#44096400)
I'm not so sure it can be a letterbox. When registering companies with the Handelsregister in Germany, I think there is a legal requirement to have a physical address. At least from my experience.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by Quarrel on Monday May 26, 2025 @08:01AM (#44096601)
In Australia, all companies must have a registered address, available on the register of companies (which isn't quite as open as I'd prefer, it isn't nearly as good as the UK's Companies House, for instance). This physical address must then have a plaque showing the registered company name roughly at the door.

In reality, just like in the Paradise Papers leaks etc, an individual accountant's office might have 4000 of these lined up next to their door.

Of course, for the vast majority of businesses, this is not much of a hurdle, and for most consumers it isn't all that helpful either, but end of the day, scammers are gonna scam, whatever the obstacles are. Even those that aren't outright scammers, will be paying accountants to have a plaque on their door to show that this is their "physical office" ...

Hopefully such efforts at least help courts assign some blame when the time comes.

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by MPSimmons on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:56AM (#44096547)
In the US, most (all?) states require a local registered agent with a non-PO box in the state. A lot of companies do good business as registered agents for out-of-state and foreign companies, where they file the paperwork and forward mail to the desired recipient.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by mk89 on Monday May 26, 2025 @08:01AM (#44096598)
It cannot be a letterbox. You must provide a real address that has capabilities to receive mail.

Luckily for a few euros per month you can rent quite nice addresses and the relative mail forwarding services (e.g., once a day, once a week, etc.)

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by niemandhier on Tuesday May 27, 2025 @04:01PM (#44110212)
You are right, that what I meant when I said letterbox.

I should have looked up the definition, before using the word.

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by vintermann on Monday May 26, 2025 @08:26AM (#44096796)
Given how easy it is to do e.g. DMCA abuse, or claiming random videos on YouTube, I'd say they haven't solved it. There's even a lovely weird expression for it, fly-by-night companies.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by mk89 on Monday May 26, 2025 @08:03AM (#44096609)
Out of all things that prevent innovation, this is probably the simplest with a "pay to fix it" solution. And the amount is not even that high.. we're talking about a few euros per month.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by victorbjorklund on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:34AM (#44096391)
Why would you need to hide your company if you are not running a scam?
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by bkolobara on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:44AM (#44096458)
Many companies start in the "garage" and if you have privacy concerns, you can't use your home address as company address. This requires you to rent a spot in a coworking that allows you to use their address as company address. Also, you need to get a second phone.

Too many small inconveniences for a small unprofitable startup that you need to worry about, instead of focusing on finding product market fit.

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by PinguTS on Monday May 26, 2025 @08:01AM (#44096595)
At least here in Germany, you shouldn't use your home address for your business at all, because of Tax obligations, at least when you are not renting.

Because if you want to move your business later, when it grows, the tax office will regard your home as part of the business. Things will get complicated that way.

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by ddalex on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:52AM (#44096512)
Why do you think the company needs its right to privacy but the customers that deal with that company don't need the right to know who they're dealing with ?

For your startup, aren't you setting up your DNS, webhosting, etc? aren't these small inconveniences that you're doing instead of "focusing on finding product market fit" ?

Each company, nay, each person has to do some amount of "paperwork" in order to create society that functions. Why should your startup admin be easier then my filling of personal taxes ?

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by lostmsu on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:27PM (#44102580)
One isn't a customer until they decided to get something from the company. But the website is available to everyone.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by bavell on Monday May 26, 2025 @09:46AM (#44097389)
Disagree with everything you said. These are all self-created non-issues.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by victorbjorklund on Thursday May 29, 2025 @05:50PM (#44130736)
Dont start a company if you are so poor you cant afford a postbox.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by la_oveja on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:40AM (#44096427)
maybe your company is just home.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by qwertox on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:54AM (#44096524)
When I see an imprint and see that it's a home address, I have no problems with that. It lets me know that this person is either just getting started or simply doesn't want to grow into a bigger company, probably because he/she has a real job, which are both great things, but if they scam me, I know where to contact them.

Why would I randomly show up at their house and ring their bell?

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by jaoane on Monday May 26, 2025 @09:32AM (#44097292)
The “a sane person wouldn’t do this” argument is really not that good.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by account42 on Tuesday May 27, 2025 @04:17AM (#44104932)
Neither is the "criminals might abuse it so we should make things worse for everyone else" argument.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by mousetree on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:34AM (#44096392)
Unfortunately, in Germany, there is a legal requirement for a business to have a physical address when registering it with the commercial register.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by account42 on Tuesday May 27, 2025 @04:15AM (#44104925)
How is that unfortunate? What would we gain from letting businesses opt out you being able to contact them?
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by calaphos on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:58AM (#44096576)
Something where you're reachable for any legal purposes- in Germany this sadly remains a physical address.

There are various service which offer a 'virtual' address with digital forwarding of letters for less than 10Eur/Month, so it's not an insurmountable obstacle.

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by 4ad on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:49AM (#44096492)
It not only prevents innovation, but it also enables fake industries, such as companies that harass and "fine" you (not legally binding) for not having an imprint even when not required, or otherwise coming up with irrelevant "problems" with your imprint and reporting you to authorities.
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by croes on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:24AM (#44096305)
The same stuff prevents massive scams
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by oceanhaiyang on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:21AM (#44096268)
Huh? Why would that be harmful at all??
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by croes on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:24AM (#44096312)
Entrepreneurs hate responsibility
Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by eadmund on Monday May 26, 2025 @07:33AM (#44096386)
I imagine that most people hate random Internet crazies showing up at their homes.

When one starts in a garage, one doesn’t have an office yet.

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by vintermann on Monday May 26, 2025 @08:30AM (#44096827)
It also defends against random internet crazies who are mad at you because you scammed them.

That's probably most of what it does, because how much attention of any sort does the average garage startup get?

Re:Lieferando.de has captured 5.7% of restaurant related dom... by eadmund on Tuesday May 27, 2025 @07:56AM (#44106040)
> It also defends against random internet crazies who are mad at you because you scammed them.

Or think you scammed them! Crazies gonna crazy.

> how much attention of any sort does the average garage startup get?

I think that anyone who has dealt with the general public in any organisation (scouting, church, business, government) will tell you that a surprisingly large number of people (I have seen estimates as high as one in four!) are crazy to one degree or another.

I would very much rather not have my home address out there for every Tom, Dick & Harry who thinks that my software is making the aliens send radio transmissions to his teeth.