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Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:19PM (#44067174)
After these incidents, it is evident that the power networks were always in Israel.

Israelis are upset at the student protests and are influencing the university to crush them.

Universities thought they were to uphold principles but it turns out that was only cover for doing certain things that made others happy.

Strange times indeed

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by pge on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:09PM (#44067685)
The administration’s letter to Harvard (which they later claimed to have sent in error) made it clear that their intent is to root out what they perceive as liberal ideological bias at Harvard - nothing really to do with Israel, that was just an excuse. Whether there is a liberal bias is something I will leave others to debate (and if there is, whether that provides grounds for federal action, given the freedoms afforded by the first amendmemt), but I think the Administration’s actions had more to do with throwing red meat to the base than it did with an factual inquiry
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:41PM (#44067942)
You are right that Trump is using the protests to further his agenda! And some are scolding him for doing that.

They want him to only focus on the anti Israel protests instead of also pursuing anti woke policies.

And he made clear that both anti Israel protests (aka antisemitism) and liberal leanings are affecting the university’s status.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by monkaiju on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:52PM (#44068409)
Are you saying being anti an apartheid theocracy is anti-semetic? Or are you just saying Trump is making that claim?

Clarity is key in such things...

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Friday May 23, 2025 @02:12AM (#44070349)
The latter
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by slg on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:07PM (#44068131)
Evangelical Christians are a huge voting block in the US and might be even more supportive of the current Israeli regime than the average Israeli. I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that Israel is controlling the American government as directly as you’re suggesting.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by chneu on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:12PM (#44068157)
A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy.

I wish I was kidding but I'm not.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by swat535 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:57PM (#44068426)
> A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy.

I'm a Catholic but I can expand on this.

The evangelicals believe that the Third Temple must be built for the Second Coming of Christ to happen, and are determined to politically and financially support the nation of Israel to make it happen as soon as possible.

They also actively work torwards the destruction of al-Aqsa Mosque and the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple.

This belief comes form 2 Thessalonians:

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

The Church Fathers were unanimous on agreeing that the "Son of Destruction" was the anti-Christ, and while there was some disagreance over what St. Paul meant (in Galatians 6:15-16) by temple the majority consensus was that it was referring to the eartly Temple. But, as it stands, the Second Temple was shortly destroyed. Which means that in order for the Second Coming to happen again, the Temple will once again need to stand.

Both Catholics and Protestants are Christians but this is a major area of disagreement between us.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by chneu on Thursday May 22, 2025 @09:35PM (#44069000)
Yup. I seriously wish this wasn't real and when I mention it to some people they can't believe it.

Not only is it real, but many people in Trump's administration have openly talked about this and how they want to make it happen.

Isn't there also some shit about a cow?

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Friday May 23, 2025 @02:14PM (#44075100)
Sacrifice The red heifer, blood used to cleanse the tools to build the temple.

The scofield bible preaches accelerating/ triggering the rapture

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Friday May 23, 2025 @02:16AM (#44070364)
Yes I considered this. for the evangelicals who support Israel, they would not necessarily try to crush the critics in anti war protests. Israel’s war on Gaza does not coincide with the evangelical mission to trigger the second coming.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by slg on Friday May 23, 2025 @01:35PM (#44074784)
>Israel’s war on Gaza does not coincide with the evangelical mission to trigger the second coming.

Maybe you don't see it because you aren't willing to think this darkly. Rebuilding the Temple is not a particularly popular idea, either domestically in Israel or internationally. The country would have to be much further radicalized for that to become realistic. Executing an ethnic cleansing of their Arab population with the tacit endorsement of the US would arguably be steps along that path to creating a world in which the Third Temple might be built.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by moshegramovsky on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:50PM (#44067506)
Do you know any Israelis? What makes you think Israelis are behind this?
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by uxp100 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:12PM (#44068156)
Are suggesting that average Israelis do not support the pressure campaign against universities, even those who generally support Israel’s actions in Gaza? Seems plausible, I haven’t seen any polling about that.

If you are suggesting that Israeli politicians are not involved with American Israel supporters who are advocating a strict crackdown on speech at universities I don’t think that is plausible. We know there is communication between the military and some influential American Israel supporters.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by moshegramovsky on Thursday May 22, 2025 @09:25PM (#44068933)
I am suggesting that average Israelis citizens are not involved in campaigns against American universities.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by uxp100 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @09:38PM (#44069018)
Got it. Makes sense to me.
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Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by iterance on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:10PM (#44068145)
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that this person is "affiliated with Israel"? Surely not because their username is Moshe, right?
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by mschuster91 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:12PM (#44068166)
> Israelis are upset at the student protests and are influencing the university to crush them.

That's putting it mildly. Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th. No matter on which side one is in the I/P conflict, there is no justification at all to attack random Jews because of whatever Bibi is doing - it's not just bullshit because what can a Jew in the US even do to change Israeli government policy, but also chances are high that the Jew in question doesn't like Bibi himself.

Academia should be a safe place for everyone who is not a threat to other students, the facilities and the staff - and wearing a kippah or david's star is not being a threat to anyone.

Trump is a fool, this new policy is even more foolish, not to mention blatantly unconstitutional - but it's unfortunately hard to deny that he has a point here.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by magicalist on Thursday May 22, 2025 @11:13PM (#44069526)
> Trump is a fool, this new policy is even more foolish, not to mention blatantly unconstitutional - but it's unfortunately hard to deny that he has a point here.

This feels a bit like saying he has a point dooming Kilmar Abrego Garcia to an El Salvadoran gulag because MS-13 exists. You do not, in fact, gotta to hand it to ISIS.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Friday May 23, 2025 @02:23AM (#44070410)
> Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th

Actually Palestinians have gotten beaten up spat on and verbally abused. This is documented multiple times on YouTube. There has even been false flag attacks by Israeli supporters dressing up as Palestinian supporters and then falsifying abuses. There has been attempts to lure pro Palestinians to attack Jews as well. OTOH journalists have reported no documented incidents of Jews being spat at.

Even if no one likes Bibi, universally they support Bibi’s actions in the current climate.

Protesting against a country does not make a protester a threat.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by mschuster91 on Friday May 23, 2025 @07:32AM (#44071871)
> Protesting against a country does not make a protester a threat.

Indeed but protesting a country happens at an embassy or on some public square usually used for rallies.

Let's draw a comparison: I don't like Trump but I don't go and beat up some random on the street for wearing an American flag, I go and protest in front of the local embassy (which, for the record, I actually did during his first term when Heather Heyer was murdered. Man, time flies.) I also don't go and throw rocks through the window of a McDonalds (something that happened to many Jewish restaurants), I also don't go and throw incendiary bombs on the nearest Evangelical church, and for fucks sake I also don't take a gun and shoot someone leaving the embassy like in yesterday's double murder of Jews in Washington.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Friday May 23, 2025 @11:31AM (#44073772)
Protesting a war can happen anywhere, not just an embassy. And universities are ground zero for student protests.

You conflated violent actions with protest.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by littlestymaar on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:53PM (#44067545)
You are attributing too much power to the Israeli. Trump signed a ceasefire with Houthi last week that doesn't protects Israel: that is, the US stops bombing them as long as they don't attack US ships, and attacks against Israel aren't a casus belli for the US anymore.

The Republican party is strongly favorable to Israel, but since Netanyahou pissed Trump, they don't get special treatment anymore, that's what happen when your foreign policy depends on the mood of a single guy. The old alliance and ideological alignment can mean nothing overnight just because the supreme leader said so.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:00PM (#44067603)
I am not sure why you think overseas policy going against Israel’s wishes directly means Israel doesn’t have influence in the United States.

I find it awkward you think that Israel is not giving special treatment to the US if the US does not do something in favor of Israel in foreign affairs. Awkward.

More awkward is that you think the US is not protecting Israel if it has a ceasefire with Houthis.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by littlestymaar on Friday May 23, 2025 @11:03AM (#44073524)
There's nothing “awkward”, and this phrasing doesn't really suggest that you are willing to discuss the topic in good faith.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Friday May 23, 2025 @11:29AM (#44073752)
Then I guess you think it is normal. Thee must be an expert more than me.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by scandox on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:36PM (#44067366)
Your hatred is clouding your judgement. It is very clear that the issue of the protests is being used by an American government to pursue a much broader agenda. Israel and antisemitism are merely the most convenient instrument. But since you are trapped in (charitably) a prejudicial mind bubble you can only see this as further proof of a tiny group of people somehow controlling everything...
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by JohnMakin on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:41PM (#44067421)
Protesting the actions of the Israeli government is not anti-semitic.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by scandox on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:13PM (#44067723)
I didn't say he was antisemitic.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by JohnMakin on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:20PM (#44067781)
I didn't say you said he was. But you did say:

> It is very clear that the issue of the protests is being used by an American government to pursue a much broader agenda. Israel and antisemitism are merely the most convenient instrument.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by goatlover on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:47PM (#44067468)
There's nothing antisemitc about criticizing Netanyahu's government. I was a big supporter of Israel's right to take the fight to Hamas for a while after Oct 7th, but then it just kept going and going until it became inhumane. At some point it becomes about punishing Gazans just for living there. That's incredibly disproportionate.

At any rate, American students should have the right to protest anything. Free speech and what have you.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:45PM (#44067448)
you make a good point regarding pretexts employed with ulterior aims

also, I can think of some more charitable ways to engage with the message in question than to dismiss it with unsubstantiated claims that the messenger is 'trapped in a prejudicial mind bubble', and I bet you are smart and can, too

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nashashmi on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:43PM (#44067436)
You are right that Trump is using the protests to further his agenda! And some are scolding him for doing that!

They want him to only focus on the anti Israel protests instead of also pursuing anti woke policies.