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Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ipython on Thursday May 22, 2025 @02:34PM (#44065198)
If we have concerns about unregulated power of AI systems, not to worry - the US is set to ban regulations on “artificial intelligence systems or models” for ten years if the budget bill that just passed the house is enacted.

Attempts at submitting it as a separate submission just get flagged - so I’ll link to it here. See pages 292-294: https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr1/BILLS-119hr1rh.pdf

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by rakete on Thursday May 22, 2025 @02:50PM (#44065368)
Oh I heard about that one, but didn't realize it is part of that "big beautiful tax bill"? Kind of crazy.

So is this like free-for-all now for anything AI related? Can I can participate by making my own LLM with pirated stuff now? Or are only the big guys allowed to break the law? Asking for a friend.

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by OgsyedIE on Thursday May 22, 2025 @02:53PM (#44065395)
The law doesn't matter, since the bill also prohibits all judges in the USA, every single one, from enforcing almost all kinds of injunctions or contempt penalties. (§70302, p.562)
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by alwa on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:23PM (#44065752)
> 70302. Restriction of funds No court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), whether issued prior to, on, or subsequent to the date of enactment of this section.

Doesn't that just require that the party seeking the injunction or order has to post a bond as security?

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by OgsyedIE on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:57PM (#44066179)
Yes, the required security is proportional to the costs and damages of all parties the court may find wrongfully impacted.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by alwa on Thursday May 22, 2025 @08:43PM (#44068675)
Ah, so it would need to be so steep as to be prohibitive for most small plaintiffs?
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by OgsyedIE on Friday May 23, 2025 @12:27AM (#44069858)
Prosecutors, too. They're also movants.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by rixed on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:12PM (#44065632)

  « (1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), no State or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models, artificial intelligence systems, or automated decision systems during the 10-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act. »
Does it actually make sense to pass a law that restrict future laws? Oh got it, that's federal state preventing any state passing their own laws on that topic.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by CalRobert on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:01PM (#44065494)
""" ... IN GENERAL .—Except as provided in paragraph (2), no State or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models, artificial intelligence systems, or automated decision systems during the 10 year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act...

"""

(It goes on)

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:07PM (#44065574)
Right, because more regulation makes things so much better.

I’d rather have unrestricted AI than moated regulatory capture paid for by the largest existing players.

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:10PM (#44065612)
This is "more regulation" on the states (from the "states' rights" party, no less), and concentrates the potential for regulatory capture into the largest player, the Feds. Who just accepted a $400M gift from Qatar and have a Trump cryptocurrency that gets you access to the President.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday May 22, 2025 @09:14PM (#44068869)
You must mean Biden’s gift from Qatar? Your talking points haven’t been updated it seems.

Cry me regulated river. The US needs less if it is going to be even remotely competitive with China who doesn’t pretend with all this nonsense about “safety”.

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Thursday May 22, 2025 @10:20PM (#44069250)
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday May 22, 2025 @11:58PM (#44069743)
A to do list for when you are done making a clown of yourself.

1. Who is Mullin? When did Qatar start the process of gifting that jet from Boeing?

2. Cancel your NYT sub.

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Friday May 23, 2025 @10:13AM (#44073095)
> Who is Mullin?

A blowhard who shouldn't be in the Senate. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/14/stand-your-butt-up-gop-sen-m...

> When did Qatar start the process of gifting that jet from Boeing?

As far as anyone can determine, very recently. There's no evidence backing Mullin's transparent effort at redirecting blame.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/19/politics/trump-adminstration-...

"The Trump administration, however, wanted a replacement plane much faster, and the Air Force was exploring different options for doing so. At the same time, Trump tasked his Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff with finding a list of viable planes, a senior White House official told CNN."

Trump publicly bragged about being the one to decide to accept it, as well.

> Cancel your NYT sub.

I don't have one.

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:04PM (#44065541)
That is not true. It bans regulation at the state and local level, not at the federal level.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ipython on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:40PM (#44065961)
Ok. From the party of “states rights” that’s a bit hypocritical of them. I mean- they applauded Dodds which basically did the exact opposite of this- forcing states to regulate abortion rather than a uniform federal standard.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:56PM (#44066160)
Dobbs did not force states to regulate abortion. It allowed them to.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Thursday May 22, 2025 @04:18PM (#44066421)
Yes, that's the hypocrisy.

Abortion: "Let the states regulate! States' rights! Small government! (Because we know we'll get our way in a lot of them.)"

AI: "Don't let the states regulate! All hail the Feds! (Because we know we won't get our way if they do.)"

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:55PM (#44068040)
I agree that the policy approach is inconsistent with regards to states' rights. I was simply pointing out that your statement about the effects of Dobbs was false.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Friday May 23, 2025 @02:01PM (#44075007)
Not my statement.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Friday May 23, 2025 @02:47PM (#44075390)
ah correct, the statement I was replying to.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:07PM (#44065578)
Unless the Feds are planning to regulate - which, for the next few years, seems unlikely - that's functionally the same.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by drewser42 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:08PM (#44065581)
So wild. The Republican party has hard-pivoted to a strong, centralized federal government and their base just came along for the ride.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:44PM (#44066003)
The strong federal government that bans regulation?
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:52PM (#44066111)
They're not banning regulation, they want total control over it.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:57PM (#44066171)
They in fact are banning regulation at the state and local level.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by ceejayoz on Thursday May 22, 2025 @04:02PM (#44066247)
Yes, which is a big fat regulation on what states and local governments can do.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:54PM (#44068031)
Would removing their regulation to ban regulation be banning regulation or not?
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by rixed on Thursday May 22, 2025 @11:58PM (#44069742)
I haven't followed those discussions (assuming there have been any kind of public discussions) but I guess the justification behind this is that IA is such a strategic industry for the USA that no state should dare to interfere.

Like, say, the development of nuclear weapons. Wouldn't that have been awfull for the US people if, for instance, say the state of Nevada or the Marshall Islands could have banned nuclear tests..? /s

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by baggy_trough on Friday May 23, 2025 @12:56AM (#44069976)
Yes, you're certainly right about that, without the /s.
Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by sandworm101 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @02:54PM (#44065415)
It is almost as if the tech bros have gotten what they paid for.

This will soon be settled once the Butlerian forces get organize.

Re:The "AI 2027" Scenario: How realistic is it? by yoyohello13 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @04:36PM (#44066649)
It's unsurprising this stuff gets flagged. Half of the Americans on this site voted for this because "regulation bad" or some such. As if mega corps have our best interest at heart and will never do anything blatantly harmful to make a buck.