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Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by sschueller on Friday May 09, 2025 @02:40AM (#43934360)
This is probably going to get a letter from LEGO's lawyers.

If you want to be safe do not use the word LEGO. Use Bricks or in German "Klemmbausteine".

Many people have had to deal with LEGO's lawyers and it ain't pretty.

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by ChrisRob on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:50AM (#43934661)
Immediately thought the same thing! This will get busted very soon
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by edoceo on Friday May 09, 2025 @02:42AM (#43934369)
Why are they like Nintendo when they could be like Sega? Embrace your community where they are.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Freak_NL on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:51AM (#43934670)
Trademark law leaves no space for that. The Lego Group has to actively defend their trademark. That means a name like LegoGPT is really on the obvious end of 'don't do that'.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by makeitdouble on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:24AM (#43934825)
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by shakna on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:52AM (#43934967)
Whilst they don't need to attack every form of speech, a name like 'LegoGPT' is not protected.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by dudeinjapan on Friday May 09, 2025 @05:30AM (#43935155)
If LEGO's lawyers agreed with this article, they'd be out of business!
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by MrOrelliOReilly on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:50AM (#43934960)
Completely agree. This should be well beyond accusations of corporate bullying. It's one thing to mention Legos, it's another to actively include a brand name in your product! NikeGPT, CocaColaGPT and IkeaGPT will face the same issue ;)
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Freak_NL on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:32AM (#43935314)
Mentioning Lego is absolutely OK, and you can sell used Lego as well and note that you are using genuine Lego bricks (resale laws simply allow that). Lego is really antsy about anything which might look like it is actually a Lego Group initiative though, and anything where Lego bricks are offered for sale in a modified state¹.

1: Never, ever, sell modified Lego bricks: https://www.brickfanatics.com/lego-wins-court-case-against-c...

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by cluckindan on Friday May 09, 2025 @05:33AM (#43935174)
The registered trademark is LEGO, in all caps.

Also, they don’t tend to go after fan-made things like this, based on some googling they typically throw the book at counterfeit producers who are eating into their profits.

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Freak_NL on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:28AM (#43935289)
(Initially) fan-made stuff which gets big enough to get noticed usually won't be able to call themselves something with 'Lego' in it. Usually some variation of 'brick' is used instead (e.g., Bricklink, Rebrickable, EuroBricks, etc.).
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by cluckindan on Friday May 09, 2025 @05:13PM (#43940921)
BrickLink is commercial, so is Rebrickable. EuroBricks seems to have a user base which includes LEGO insiders.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by 6stringmerc on Friday May 09, 2025 @12:49PM (#43938830)
Backing by a multimillion dollar University for publication and promotional purposes is a far cry from hobbyist and enthusiast ecosystems, at least in my view. Then again I’m in a very slim minority of actual creative creators who generate IP from scratch and my perspective is much different than “move fast break things” attitudes.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by anticensor on Sunday May 11, 2025 @03:05AM (#43951976)
European trademarks are registration-compulsory, hence the required extent of defence is significantly weaker than those required for keeping the common law trademarks.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Perz1val on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:54AM (#43934683)
> Embrace your community where they are.

In the casinos?

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by raverbashing on Friday May 09, 2025 @02:43AM (#43934375)
(Not saying it's related) But, which one of those are still running?
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Philpax on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:50AM (#43934660)
I'd go as far as to say that Sega's embracing of their fans is a big part of why they're still around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Mania#Development
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by vanderZwan on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:01AM (#43934451)
Both are. Sega just lost a console war a few decades ago and decided not to pursue that any more.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Cthulhu_ on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:31AM (#43934580)
Sega is generating more than $1.5 billion a year, they're fine.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by 71bw on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:00AM (#43934447)
Both?
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by makeitdouble on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:23AM (#43934812)
Sega's [0] main business is pachinko (so gambling). To them Sonic brand being used by fans has very little consequences, if not building most needed goodwill toward their other brands.

That's where Nintendo is fundamentaly different.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Sammy_Holdings

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by foobahhhhh on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:54AM (#43935447)
Did that start with that merger in 2004 so back in the Sonic heyday it wasn't in to gambling?
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by makeitdouble on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:35AM (#43935696)
Yes.

Sega was mostly into normal arcade games, and Sammy baught them for their expertise to improve Sammy's much more profitable gambling machines. It's Sammy's CEO that took the lead, and Sonic and console games became a mere side business.

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by MrsPeaches on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:52AM (#43934968)
Interesting that many of Sega’s games are now mobile focused.

Also don’t forget that Sega was “originally an importer of coin-operated arcade games to Japan and manufacturer of slot machines and jukeboxes”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sega

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by andrewchilds on Friday May 09, 2025 @10:43AM (#43937346)
TIL the pachinko connection perfectly explains the visual/sound/game design of the Sonic games.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by ygouzerh on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:27AM (#43935648)
They probably have a culture of "patents".

They just won the market because historically they reused existing locking bricks concept from a company called Kiddicraft, found a way to make it more lockable... and patent it before the original company and other companies could implement it.

We can say that they became famous half fir engineering reason, and half from their legal department...

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by amelius on Friday May 09, 2025 @05:10AM (#43935065)
This is academic research, and I suppose it falls under fair use.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by msiebuhr on Friday May 09, 2025 @08:07AM (#43935866)
IANAL, but EU law doesn't have "fair use". It does have a _very specific_ set of uses where you don't have to ask for permission (or pay). As I understand, it is more limited than the US' "fair use" doctrine.

EU being EU, I can only imagine there's a bunch of particular rules around research that may or may not work in the authors' favor.

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by 6stringmerc on Friday May 09, 2025 @12:47PM (#43938805)
Fair Use is Copyright and has a four factor test. Trademark is different than Copyright. Perhaps learning the difference might be educational…and fiscally prudent.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by amelius on Friday May 09, 2025 @03:05PM (#43940021)
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by KurSix on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:27AM (#43935286)
Even YouTubers and small hobby sites have gotten takedown notices just for using the name in the wrong context
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by necovek on Friday May 09, 2025 @08:00AM (#43935825)
They are actively using actual LEGO bricks, and as such they are not misrepresenting anything.

Where there is gray area is in them not clearly stating they are unaffiliated with LEGO the company.

OTOH, they also don't seem to be looking to monetize anything, so they are at lower risk from LEGO having a plausible claim that they are hurting their sales.

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by dec0dedab0de on Friday May 09, 2025 @09:42AM (#43936639)
While it is perfectly valid to describe what they made as a designer or builder for LEGO, I do not believe they are allowed to use part of a trademark in a way that could be trademarkable itself, so basically good for everything but the name.

But then again IANAL, and that is just how I understand the American law, and every country is different.

Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by 6stringmerc on Friday May 09, 2025 @12:45PM (#43938792)
This is an incredibly ignorant perspective on the nature and intent of trademark law and I’m hopeful you will learn about reality one way or another. As the saying goes, your feelings don’t matter in court.
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by andrewchilds on Friday May 09, 2025 @10:51AM (#43937437)
Meanwhile, Amazon is perfectly happy to sell/promote this "Boy and Tiger Adventure Blocks Set" which simultaneously rips off LEGO and Calvin & Hobbes: https://www.amazon.com/Adventure-Rotatable-Compatible-Charac...
Re:LegoGPT: Generating Physically Stable and Buildable Lego by Retric on Friday May 09, 2025 @11:15AM (#43937724)
Ripping off Calvin and hobs sure but not Lego.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_Page#Kiddicraft

LEGO is based off of earlier designs of interlocking bricks, they are well known because they got really good at affordability, high tolerances, and durability not because they invented the concept. Beyond that the original functional patents have long expired.