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Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by FirmwareBurner on Thursday April 24, 2025 @09:04AM (#43782226)
This law has more to do with the environment/Energy usage than with the consumer. And the US consumer cares a lot less about energy usage since they're much more energy and monetarily rich than the EU.

If they paid German gas and electricity prices for example while having European wages, they'd care a lot more about energy consumption, believe that.

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by myrmidon on Thursday April 24, 2025 @09:15AM (#43782341)
I think regulation like this is just strictly good (even from US perspective/priorities), because you can not realistically "vote with your wallet" for environment-friendly products when relevant info is obfuscated, falsified or not available at all.

Just ignoring energy efficiency/repairability labelling is always an option for consumers on the other hand.

> If they paid German gas and electricity prices for example while having European wages, they'd care a lot more.

I'm not so sure on this; I think environmental concerns are mainly culture driven I think, because even after all the price increases over the last decade, especially electricity is still dirt cheap compared to e.g. rent, basically everywhere.

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by FirmwareBurner on Thursday April 24, 2025 @01:07PM (#43785016)
>I think regulation like this is just strictly good (even from US perspective/priorities)

I never said it's bad, I was just answered why the EU is pushing for this when US isn't: because in US energy affordability is not as big of an issue for consumers.

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by gessha on Thursday April 24, 2025 @10:24AM (#43783190)
I just checked the el. prices for Germany on [1] and [2] and I see something like 9-12 euro ct/kWh which is $0.10/kWh. In NY state [3], where I live, the prices right now are $0.25/kWh so 250% more. Average salaries for Germany are $57,198 [4] and $61,984 [5] for US. Maybe I'm missing some details about it but I don't it's about affordability and energy cost. My take is it's a lot more about top-down politics.

[1] https://www.energyprices.eu/electricity/germany

[2] https://spotprices.eu/de/spotprice/de1

[3] https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Energy-Prices/Electricity/Monthly...

[4] https://www.learngermanonline.org/salaries-and-living-costs-...

[5] https://www.demandsage.com/average-us-income/

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by FirmwareBurner on Thursday April 24, 2025 @10:27AM (#43783225)
You only looked at spot prices which is not what a lot for consumers pay in their contracts.
Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by gessha on Thursday April 24, 2025 @11:04AM (#43783694)
That's a good point. The numbers go the opposite way if you check household prices. Are prices in Germany anomalous due to them putting their eggs in the Russian gas basket? Countries with nuclear power plants seem to have lower electricity prices (who would've known).

US $0.18/kWh [1]

DE $0.44/kWh [2]

EU $0.32/kWh [2]

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU000072610

[2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by myrmidon on Thursday April 24, 2025 @01:45PM (#43785443)
In Germany, I think a big cost driver is infrastructure buildout, from switching coal plants to renewables as well as building new gas turbines, more so than gas price itself (which is <20% of electricity). But the country is already >60% renewables for electricity, so there is at least something to show for it.

France basically invested 40 years ago and are still reaping the spoils; I'd expect prices there to rise significantly once a majority of nuclear reactors reaches end-of-life.

From a household perspective the cost of electricity feels pretty marginal to me, anyway.

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by dns_snek on Friday April 25, 2025 @02:33AM (#43790769)
Regarding [1], do these numbers include other charges that appear on the electric bill (e.g. distribution, fixed fees) and all local taxes?
Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by gessha on Friday April 25, 2025 @08:22AM (#43792835)
Yep, if you Ctrl+F for taxes you get

> All fuel prices include applicable Federal, State, and local taxes

Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by amarcheschi on Thursday April 24, 2025 @09:09AM (#43782278)
The article talks about ecodesign requirements as well, such as spare parts needing to be available for some years after the product isn't sold, the freedom to have 3rd parties repair devices and so on. It's not only a matter of energy but consumer protection as well
Re:EU Energy labelling will apply to phones and tablets from... by nolok on Thursday April 24, 2025 @09:47AM (#43782757)
> this law has more to do with the environment/Energy usage than with the consumer

Not sure about the distinction there, improving the environment and energy usage is benefitting the consumer, because the consumer is also the citizen living there