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Re:How University Students Use Claude by stv_123 on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @11:56AM (#43633543)
Interesting article, but I think it downplays the incidence of students using Claude as an alternative to building foundational skills. I could easily see conversations that they outline as "Collaborative" primarily being a user walking Claude through multi-part problems or asking it to produce justifications for answers that students add to assignments.
Re:How University Students Use Claude by tmpz22 on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:12PM (#43633724)
Direct quote I heard from an undergrad taking statistics:

"Snapchat AI couldn't get it right so I skipped the assignment"

Re:How University Students Use Claude by dvngnt_ on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:17PM (#43633785)
back in my day we used snap to send spicy photos now they're using AI to cheat on homework. im not sure what's worse
Re:How University Students Use Claude by MikeTheGreat on Thursday April 10, 2025 @02:25AM (#43641213)
Well, I can tell you for sure which one's better :)
Re:How University Students Use Claude by moffkalast on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:17PM (#43633790)
Well if statistics can't understand itself, then what hope do the rest of us have?
Re:How University Students Use Claude by mppm on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:12PM (#43633717)
> Interesting article, but I think it downplays the incidence of students using Claude as an alternative to building foundational skills.

No shit. This is anecdotal evidence, but I was recently teaching a university CS class as a guest lecturer (at a somewhat below-average university), and almost all the students were basically copy-pasting task descriptions and error messages into ChatGPT in lieu of actually programming. No one seemed to even read the output, let alone be able to explain it. "Foundational skills" were near zero, as a result.

Anyway, I strongly suspect that this report is based on careful whitewashing and would reveal 75% cheating if examined more closely. But maybe there is a bit of sampling bias at play as well -- maybe the laziest students just never bother with anything but ChatGPT and Google Colab, while students using Claude have a little more motivation to learn something.

Re:How University Students Use Claude by colonial on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:37PM (#43634099)
CS/CE undergrad here who entered university right when ChatGPT hit. Things are bad at my large state school.

People who spent the past two years offloading their entry-level work onto LLMs are now taking 400-level systems programming courses and running face-first into a capability wall. I try my best to help, but there's only so much I can do when basic concepts like structs and pointer manipulation get blank stares.

> "Oh, the foo field in that struct should be signed instead of unsigned."

< "Struct?"

> "Yeah, the type definition of Bar? It's right there."

< "Man, I had ChatGPT write this code."

> "..."

Re:How University Students Use Claude by jjmarr on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @01:39PM (#43634931)
Put the systems level programming in year 1, honestly. Either you know the material going in, or you fail out.
Re:How University Students Use Claude by yieldcrv on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:10PM (#43633697)
> I think it downplays the incidence of students using Claude as an alternative to building foundational skills

I think people will get more utility out of education programs that allow them to be productive with AI, at the expense of foundational knowledge

Universities have a different purpose and are tone deaf to why their students use universities for the last century: which is that the corporate sector decided university degrees were necessary despite 90% of the cross disciplinary learning being irrelevant.

Its not the university’s problem and they will outlive this meme of catering to the middle class’ upwards mobility at all. They existed before and will exist after.

The university may never be the place for a human to hone the skill of being augmented with AI but a trade school or bootcamp or other structured learning environment will be, for those not self started enough to sit through youtube videos and trawl discord servers

Re:How University Students Use Claude by fallinditch on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:43PM (#43634196)
Yes, AI tools have shifted the education paradigm and cognition requirements. This is a 'threat' to universities, but I would also argue that it's an opportunity for universities to reinvent the experience of further education.
Re:How University Students Use Claude by ryandrake on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @01:55PM (#43635131)
Yea, the solution here is to embrace the reality that these tools exist and will be used regardless of what the university wants, and use it as an opportunity to level up the education and experience.

The clueless educational institutions will simply try to fight it, like they tried to fight copy/pasting from Google and like they probably fought calculators.