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Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by Squeeeez on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:14AM (#43610981)
Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu...

"While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn apart as someone else was searching every crevice of me."

I can't understand how this is allowed to happen.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by brookst on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:22AM (#43611096)
It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out.

The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by mikedelfino on Monday April 07, 2025 @10:01AM (#43611622)
> The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated

Why would they want that?

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by nmeofthestate on Monday April 07, 2025 @11:53AM (#43612864)
Off the top of my head, playing Devil's advocate it could be to encourage illegal immigrants to self-deport. The jailing of Germans with green cards for a fortnight is an unintended side-effect of cranking up the overall hostility level.
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by skc on Monday April 07, 2025 @12:19PM (#43613137)
Perhaps because they know it wouldn't matter.

It's not like there is a ready drop in replacement for things people desire from the US.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by mikedelfino on Monday April 07, 2025 @12:31PM (#43613241)
I get that they don't care. I was just curious why that would be an intention in itself.
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by sigwinch on Monday April 07, 2025 @12:48PM (#43613414)
That department -- customs and border enforcement -- needs to be ideologically pure for the next phase. They'll need to be able to rapidly judge new hires for culture-fit. Can you do the things that only make sense if your boss wants USA to be hated? Can you deftly talk that group of travelers into all unlocking their phones for imaging?
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by navane on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @07:04AM (#43620301)
To forge the cult -- the more outside hate the more inside cohesion.
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by DeathArrow on Monday April 07, 2025 @02:23PM (#43614395)
>The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

What atrocities? Deporting someone who doesn't have the right to stay in US?

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by brookst on Monday April 07, 2025 @04:24PM (#43615570)
I was thinking more the body cavity searches of tourists that were linked. The indefinite detention of tourists.

Agreed mere deportation is not an atrocity. But that’s not what’s going on here.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by pjc50 on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:43AM (#43611354)
The thing is: this isn't entirely new, it's just something that happens very rarely to Westerners who don't alert sniffer dogs.

The "kids in cages" Southern border immigration detention ran through both the previous Trump administration and the Biden administration. Some pretty horrific stories from then, especially during COVID.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by matt3210 on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:27AM (#43611166)
This article sickens me and makes me ashamed to be an American
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by jillyboel on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:27AM (#43611153)
It's what happens when you put a convicted sexual abuser in charge
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by Telemakhos on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:41AM (#43611336)
That story starts with her being refused entry to Canada. So, there's more than just "US border guards mean" going on here.

Then it turns out that she was using Workaway, which is like AirBnB or Uber but for foreign labor on tourist visas. They don't tell you that you need a work visa to work in another country [1], but you almost certainly do anywhere you go, not just the US. The woman in the story was working in exchange for accommodation, which is legal for citizens but not for aliens: work permits and visas exist to deter illegal immigration. She didn't have intent to immigrate illegally, but the scheme under which she entered the country was illegal, and she confessed to it in her statement to the border guards.

The real bad actor in this story was Workaway, and I'm surprised they haven't been shut down yet. They offer an alien labor arrangement that is almost certain to get you detained if caught with the wrong visa, don't give you advice on visas, and aren't there to help if something does go wrong at the border. I doubt there are many countries who welcome their alien labor arrangements, either.

[1] "Workaway is a listing site that enables contact between members, we are unfortunately unable to arrange or advise on visas. There are so many countries with different regulations or laws for different types of volunteering activity, so we would suggest directly getting in touch with the relevant embassy of your destination. It is the responsibility of the host and/or volunteer to make sure they are within the law." https://www.workaway.info/en/stories/workaway-for-newbies-co...

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by yosito on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:59AM (#43611586)
You're right. But as someone who has been internationally nomadic for 15 years, I don't think most people understand how many tens of thousands of people travel internationally on tourist visas doing work exchanges to be able to afford their tourism. It's commonplace. Yes, it's usually illegal. Most countries don't dedicate a whole lot of resources to enforcing that. And in most countries, getting caught working while on a short term tourist visa will get you 1) a fine 2) deported (probably self-deported, on a commercial flight) and 3) banned from re-entering the country for a period of time.

What does NOT usually happen in these cases is 1) having a full body cavity search 2) being shackled in the back of a van 3) having your phone confiscated 4) being forbidden from contacting any family or legal representation 5) having your clothing cut apart 6) being transported to a different city without being informed of what is happening 7) being cut off from access to your foreign funds 8) being detained for 19 days.

The notable thing isn't that she broke the law. The notable thing is the cruel and unusual severity of the punishment for a relatively minor visa violation. Typically, when countries punish tourists so severely for what should be a slap on the wrist, tourists stop wanting to go there.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by mikedelfino on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:57AM (#43611564)
Even by your rationale, why wasn’t she simply refused entry and sent back to her country at her own expense?
Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by Nextgrid on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:51AM (#43611471)
Nobody is denying her visa wasn't correct for the type of work she was doing. But that doesn't justify the treatment she got. Nobody but violent criminals should be treated like this.

This was a paperwork issue and should've been resolved with paperwork - refusal of entry and a plane ticket back.

Re:Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March by Juliate on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:52AM (#43611483)
That's no rationale for the treatment she got.

If USAmericans got such a treatment anywhere in the world for similar reasons, it'd be broadcasted as a diplomatic incident in your news channels.