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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by ascorbic on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:37AM (#43310015)
Trump just wants the war to end. Ukraine doesn't want to surrender a chunk of its territory under bad terms, so they won't make a deal. Putin is more than happy to take a deal that means they win. Trump thinks that if he weakens Ukraine then they'll be more willing to take a bad deal. He also doesn't like Ukraine or Zelenskyy, so has no particular desire to do them a favour.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by hkpack on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:30PM (#43311436)
> doesn't want to surrender a chunk of its territory

It is not about a chunk of the territory.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tsupiroti on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:35PM (#43312851)
Exactly. For Ukraine, a peace treaty now that allows Russia to regroup and invade again in N years is not really helpful.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by ascorbic on Sunday March 09, 2025 @07:14PM (#43314948)
Yes, which is why they won't accept it, quite rightly!
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by azan_ on Sunday March 09, 2025 @02:02PM (#43311852)
Ukraine already surrendered chunk of its territory few years ago. You think this time it will be different and Russia won't try to take Ukraine again once it rebuilds its military potential?
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by polski-g on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:54PM (#43313691)
The difference is that in the future (assuming the mineral deal goes through), there would be US citizens operating mineral franchises on Ukrainian territory. So if Russia harmed them in the future, we would be drawn into an actual war.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by ascorbic on Sunday March 09, 2025 @07:10PM (#43314931)
There were US citizens and businesses in Ukraine last time. Russia will just go around them like they did then. Having some US businesses will provide zero protection.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by azan_ on Sunday March 09, 2025 @05:13PM (#43313909)
Assuming that USA would not withdraw their citizens prior to Russian attack. It's a big assumption with current administration.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by polski-g on Sunday March 09, 2025 @05:19PM (#43313971)
It will take more than 3 years to get a mining franchise operational.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by vanviegen on Sunday March 09, 2025 @05:22PM (#43314014)
Assuming mining those minerals would actually make economic and strategic sense for US companies, considering significant long-term investments require stability. And that a significant US workforce would even be required for that. And that the US administration doesn't just make a bargain with Putin about leaving these mining operations alone while doing whatever the fuck else they want.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by jjk166 on Monday March 10, 2025 @12:12AM (#43316947)
Name one American who would volunteer to fight because a mine got attacked.

Either we have the spine to defend our allies against unambiguous breaches of international law, or we don't.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by polski-g on Monday March 10, 2025 @12:15AM (#43316961)
> Name one American who would volunteer to fight because a Thai ship got attacked by Yemeni rebels while travelling through an Ethiopian straight to an Egyptian canal.

Apparently, the entire US Navy was okay with that volunteer assignment.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by jjk166 on Monday March 10, 2025 @11:22PM (#43328860)
Protecting international shipping from terrorists is radically different.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by peterbecich on Monday March 10, 2025 @03:42AM (#43317890)
Could Ukraine maneuver around Trump by instead signing a minerals deal with UK+EU? Better to give the $600b (optimistically) to friendly allies. The problem is UK+EU does not have equivalent defense contractors. US gets what it wants as well, by disconnecting from the conflict.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by ascorbic on Sunday March 09, 2025 @07:08PM (#43314918)
No of course I don't. Russia will certainly try again. Ukraine is absolutely right to not want to do this! I'm just pointing out what Trump's motivation is.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by vanviegen on Sunday March 09, 2025 @05:18PM (#43313954)
> Putin is more than happy to take a deal that means they win.

That is not at all evident. Russia's economy is in a terrible spot, and might collapse entirely without the war ('special military operation') effort.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by jjk166 on Monday March 10, 2025 @12:34AM (#43317051)
Their economy is in a terrible spot because of the war. International sanctions mean Russia has extreme trouble selling its natural resources or importing necessary products, and what trade it can do it pays a stiff premium for. Its massive defense spending might appear to boost GDP but it's all unproductive and it's driving massive inflation. Then you got oil refineries and other such infrastructure periodically exploding. And true end to the war means an end to all those problems and is the only way for them to avoid their economy collapsing. Of course at the end they'll need to be careful about how they draw down defense spending to avoid recession but they'ed at least be in the drivers seat, as opposed to what they are looking at should the war continue for another 1 to 2 years.