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Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by dataviz1000 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @08:30AM (#43183444)
On a scale from 0 to Augusto Pinochet bringing American "Freedom" to the people or his next door neighbor, Videla, throwing dissidents out of airplanes, the current government declaring a curfew during darkness is about a 0.

Luckily, I flew out of Chile on Saturday. Although it felt like it was the safest place I have visited in South America so far the empty white powdered dime bags on the sidewalk, people telling me to be very careful walking alone at night, razor wire and electrified fences around properties was a reminder of how dangerous it is.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by eitally on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @08:51AM (#43183582)
I have a very close friend who's Chilean but grew up in Brasil after his family immigrated to escape Pinochet. Overall, Chile is exceptionally safe by South American standards, especially outside Santiago (which has all the perks and challenges of any large city).
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by bigtimesink on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @02:21PM (#43187142)
How's Paraguay? I'm told it's one of the safest places in South America outside France, and safer than Chile.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by dataviz1000 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @03:02PM (#43187564)
It is very hot in Paraguay so I am waiting a while before I visit. Today I'm in Lima and eventually plan on visiting Salvador in Brazil. Asuncion has become one of the top destinations for digital nomads and I am curious what it is about this land locked country other than the very favorable tax laws that is attracting people.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @02:24PM (#43187166)
?

All of South America is outside France.

Did you mean to type something else?

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by dragonwriter on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @02:29PM (#43187205)
Guyane (“French Guiana”) is “outside France” in the same way that Alaska is “outside the United States”.

Most of France is in Europe, but most is different than all.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by chmod775 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:55PM (#43189710)
By area, only about 80% of France is in Europe!
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by dmacvicar on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:11AM (#43184363)
Depending where you look your numbers, Chile's crime and homicide rate is very similar to the United States.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by dietr1ch on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @03:00PM (#43187548)
Sans school shootings at the very least, but crime has gone steadily up since cartels from Central America expanded their operations.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by nodesocket on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:28AM (#43184541)
I’ve been to Santiago, Chile and Buenos Aires. Highly recommend Argentina, in my opinion generally safer and much better food (pastas, pizza) Italian influence.
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Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by jjfanboy on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:18AM (#43183787)
So true, to you and others that think this way, it's all true - it's truly awful. Please, for the love of god, never visit. Save yourselves.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by deadbabe on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:49AM (#43184779)
Ever since I was robbed at gunpoint in Brazil by a man on a scooter I’ve had no interest in going back.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by reaperducer on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:10AM (#43183713)
Pretty much all of South America is a hell hole

Is that you, Donald?

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by arcbyte on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:04AM (#43183680)
I won't quibble with your characterization of South America today (even tho i disagree) but I do disagree with your suggestion of its causation. Certainly the lack of beasts of burden were an issue in pre-Spanish times, but the progression of North America and South America are remarkably similar after the British/French and Spanish starting settling. The primary differences really seem to come from a cultural difference between the people of the two continents and the failure of South America to reject communism.

George Washington and Simon Bolivar both lived at roughly the same time and fought similar revolutions.

South America's woes really began in the early 20th century when, despite avoiding the devestation of the world wars, they succumbed to socialist revolutions which ravaged their economies and destroyed their future prospects.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by delecti on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:11AM (#43183726)
Or, when they succumbed to socialist revolutions which drew the attention of capitalist interventionists. The devastating impacts we've had can't be downplayed.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by lurk2 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @12:19PM (#43185771)
It's notable that the worst countries to live in are the ones where the socialists won (e.g. Venezuela). The excuse then becomes that these societies are dysfunctional because they have been impoverished by American embargoes, which is plainly not the case because you don't see these crime rates in countries with even higher rates of poverty like Nepal. It's also just obviously not true if you know anything about how incompetent the Venezuelan regime is and how its pork barrel politics operate.

Countries colonized by Iberians are simply mired by the problems introduced by the Iberian attitude to wealth and work (namely that one ought to violently seize the former to avoid the latter). In Colombia alone there are something like 35 murders a day, and quite a few of those are for 3 year old iPhones worth less than the assailant's motorcycle.

The preference for seizing wealth translates into the political sphere in these countries and had a lot to do with why the revolutions there took on a distinctly socialist character. On the one hand you had large landowners refusing to make any kind of concessions to the laborers they were exploiting, and this gives you the guerrillas who financed their operations via the drug trade (the right-wing paramilitaries later start doing the same thing as they lose institutional support).

Both parties distrust each other. Keep in mind that this isn't like the American culture war. Most of these countries were dealing with full-scale civil wars in the last century.

Consider Colombia again: 3 years ago, they elected a former socialist guerrilla as president. One of the first things he did was decriminalize the possession of narcotics. He compared cocaine with whiskey a few weeks ago. This variety of civic incompetence is quite typical in South America, and is the source of most of its problems.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by beepbooptheory on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @02:03PM (#43186918)
If the issue at the end of day is "attitude" than why even bring up socialism at all? Wouldn't socialism in this rendering just be an expression of something already there to begin with? Idk, it just sounds like you both want it to about bad guys but also be fatalistic and say there was something inevitable here anyway. I don't really understand logically how you can keep both things true here.

Also cocaine is not comparable whiskey? Why is that?

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by lurk2 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @02:31PM (#43187228)
>If the issue at the end of day is "attitude" than why even bring up socialism at all?

It is the result of the Iberian approach to politics which is not cooperative but based on clientelism. They inherited it from the Romans. The general dynamic is that socialist revolutions emerge as a result of landowners seeing other people as peons to be exploited. The socialism itself is downstream from seeing the state as a seat of power to be seized for personal enrichment rather than a public office.

>Cocaine is not comparable to whiskey

Cocaine is far more addictive than alcohol. Neither substance is socially desirable.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by beepbooptheory on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @03:39PM (#43187953)
Got it. So you are just affirming the same kind of exogenous force your socialist interlocutors would, except its the colonial Spanish/Portuguese, not the United States? And when you spoke of attitude and preference above, you meant specifically those of these colonizers?

And hopefully not to be pendantic about it but you did in your reply precisely show how and why one might compare cocaine to alcohol. I am still confused about your point there, but it doesn't really seem important to your conceits anyway.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by lurk2 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @05:28PM (#43189004)
> Got it. So you are just affirming the same kind of exogenous force your socialist interlocutors would, except its the colonial Spanish/Portuguese, not the United States? And when you spoke of attitude and preference above, you meant specifically those of these colonizers?

No, you've misunderstood me. There is no exogenous force. South America is itself a product of Iberian colonialism. You could, I suppose, say that South America did not have problems with ineffective governance prior to the arrival of the Iberians. This is somewhat dubious, though, because those governance structures look nothing like our own. The Aztecs were probably effective governors during the time that they ruled, but would anyone really prefer to live in a world where they had won?

People who live in impoverished countries create these narratives to avoid acknowledging their collective failures. There are plenty of examples of countries that have been colonized which are today completely peaceable, as well as countries that have never been colonized which are nonetheless comparatively unstable.

South Americans are particularly susceptible to these narratives. It is usually associated with leftist ideas surrounding decolonialism, but this is by no means exclusive - plenty of conservatives will blame the gringo for problems that are squarely within the realm of their control (at least insofar as anything can be "within our control," but the premise that such a culpability exists is already accepted by anyone arguing that "It's all the Americans' fault.").

> you did in your reply precisely show how and why one might compare cocaine to alcohol.

Petro's exact words were: "La cocaína es ilegal porque la hacen en América Latina, no porque sea más mala que el whisky." This is manifestly not the case. The sort of blase attitude he takes towards a substance that has done so much to destroy his country is emblematic of the civic incompetence I alluded to.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by adgjlsfhk1 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:17AM (#43183771)
pointing to the socialists as the problem rather than the USA backed dictatorships is certainly a choice...
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by beepbooptheory on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:25AM (#43183859)
Just looking at the history of Chile in particular, it's a little hard to make this particular story work! Or just, I would be extremely curious here to hear the precise theory/timeline here for you. Similar theories I have heard always seem to fall back on a kind of kettle logic: communism is cultural invetiability, active external cause, symptom, and then the continual generator of ongoing woes post-mortem; was it the "revolution" itself or the fact they "needed" one? It just usually lacks the kind of rigor and nuance we should expect from historical analysis. But I would hope your idea here isn't so simple?
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by bongodongobob on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:28AM (#43183897)
Yeah, the US had nothing to do with it. It was socialism. Lol OK.
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Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by graeme on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:52AM (#43184132)
It's possible OP is not from the US. Most places in the OECD aren't as dangerous as US cities. But, when you are in a city and see

>razor wire and electrified fences around properties

That is a sure sign that LOCALS see dangers present

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by fjjjrjj on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:14AM (#43184404)
It's s deterrent. Very common in Latin America. Most crime is opportunistic and thieves can be in and out well before police or private security arrive. Justice can be hard to come by and police could even look the other way if they are in in it with bribes or in bed with organized crime.

It is shocking at first to see razor wire, electric fences, perimeter sensors, shards of glass embedded at the top of concrete block walls.

In the US you don't know if that house you are targeting has someone inside waiting with a gun. That is shocking to many outside cultures too.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by lazide on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @11:55AM (#43185486)
Chile has pretty lax gun laws (by South American standards).

In South America, plenty of people have guns - they just don’t have permits or licenses for them. Chile is relatively orderly on that front, but most places aren’t.

So unlike the US, it’s a lot less likely someone is going to call the cops if someone gets shot.

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by c22 on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:57AM (#43184189)
Most homeless people are more scared of you than you are of them.
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by jjfanboy on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:11AM (#43207234)
I used to think this too!
Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by jobs_throwaway on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:04AM (#43184282)
Gross, unhelpful comment, and essentially just whataboutism. Plenty of American cities are also unsafe and OP didn't say otherwise.

That isn't 'white panic' lol. Are you perhaps insecure about your own race?

Re:State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most o... by jjfanboy on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:10AM (#43207225)
> Are you perhaps insecure about your own race?

lol fuck yourself. You have no idea of my race or background.