> roman salutes

It's worth noting that the Romans never did this. There was a fairly brief period in the 19th century where it was kind of a pop-culture Roman thing (it showed up in plays about Ancient Rome, that sort of thing), and then it was adopted by various nationalist groups, including the Italian fascists, and, ultimately, the Nazis.

Unless you're a theatre fan who's been in a coma for the last 150 years, though, it's a fascist (or Nazi) salute; the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.

The Bellamy salute on the other hand was actually used to accompany the US Pledge of Allegiance 1892-1942: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

>Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, which they attributed to the so-called Roman salute, a gesture that is wrongly thought to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

In other words, when people decided "fuck that, I dont want to look like a Nazi" they did something different.

Which is precisely why what Musk did was a Nazi salute. Because we know not to do them for fear of being mistaken for a Nazi. The deniability is implausible at this stage.

He did it twice. And I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since, not just caught in an awkward still with their arm out, just full-on did the thing in front of people on purpose. At least one of them at CPAC the other day.

At least they’ve cut through any doubt about how to treat their entire party in a hurry. Anyone still with them is in-fact a nazi.

>I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since

Names?

Bannon

Oh, bloody hell, totally forgot about him. Has he emerged from his lair again? Would've assumed he was in disgrace after defrauding all those Trump fans.

Like, he literally did an affinity fraud on Trump supporters. Have they actually forgiven him?!

See my comment for names of dems doing it too. Big names.

(Cuz none of them, republicans or democrats, are doing nazi salutes)

> the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.

It's used because YouTube and tiktok will demonetized you for saying Nazi.

TikTok, in particular, has pretty aggressive live stream killing policies. It's lead to weird things like streamers saying "grape" for "rape" and "unalive" for "kill".

Huh, I actually didn't know that (as a certified Old Person I use neither on a regular basis). That maybe does explain why people are doing it to some extent. Talk about unintended consequences...

TIL about the term 'sanewashing'; thanks, I'll definitely use that.

In exchange, I offer a cool word I learned yesterday: The Broligarchs.

It was a nazi salute.

It's amazing to me that there are people that unironically believe this. But I guess record low viewership of MSM propaganda is still a non-zero amount of viewership.

And I don't even believe that you earnestly believe it wasn't a Nazi salute. I think you're trolling, and you know perfectly well what it was, because every sentient being with eyes knows. So that's how far apart people can be.

I think 98% of the "plausible deniability" folks know it was a nazi salute; they just dont care because they are happy about the destruction of the federal government.

Please note that "you know perfectly well what it was" is considered a personal attack on this site. As much as I agree with you, I think it's best if we keep this place civil, as many others on the internet aren't anymore, sadly.

I agree, we should avoid offending nazi apologists at all costs, while they allow the breaking of democratic governance in the USA.

We wouldn't want to spoil a nice discussion board, would we?

Let me be clear - I don't necessarily agree with the opinion that it's a personal attack, however dang states that it is [1], so I'm trying my best to make sure those who make good-faith comments don't get unnecessarily banned.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42979559

Who are we going to believe, you or our lying eyes?

Methylsulfonylmethane can be used in alternative medicine but we're far from Ketamine.

You know, I initially didn't watch the video, because there's so much bs that I don't have time to consume all the bs. It seemed plausible to me that people would exaggerate or misrepresent what Musk did, because that's what people do in (current year argument).

But then I watched the video, and it's just flat out a Nazi salute. There's no doubt. He's not "throwing his heart to the audience," he's not accidentally making a cumbersome gesture, he's just Heil Hitlering right in front of everybody.

So I don't know what you mean by "unironically believe this." I don't know what the "mainstream media" says, and I don't really care. I have eyes. I can see what he did.

So tell me this, whom should I believe, you and your complaints about the media, or my own eyes?

It's interesting to compare a genuine Musk my heart goes out https://x.com/kingore91/status/1884580205185954045

with the fascist style one https://youtu.be/s5hiprV-KXQ?t=7

It's possible to notice a difference if you look closely.

And Elon has had enough media exposure and training to know how it would be perceived. He knew what he was doing. We know what he was doing. He knows we know what he was doing.

Twitter guy had lost his cred with all his nazi twitter followers (the ones he retweets from time to time when they have spent enough time licking his behind) after the H1B visa kerfuffle. They were all thrilled he was heiling away on the national stage.

The amount of cowardice in US politics is astounding. And I don't mean the republican part, because to be a coward with regards to beliefs you must actually believe something.

Don't forget really bad jokes, such as making your product line spell out se*y and naming stuff after memes.

> such as making your product line spell out se*y

Especially with exterior designs ranging between boring and ugly.

One time I took side views of each of them and scaled them all to the same size based on wheelbase. They're literally all the same design, just stretched. That's why they look so bad, in the same way a corvette would look bad stretched into an SUV.

Bring back dorky middle-school sense of humor Musk. I’m fine with S*XY and fart mode and even flamethrowers. If you can find a history of Musk headlines through the years you see that almost everything before 2018 is just dorky engineer stuff and jokes, and then post-2018 it’s mean and destructive.

Does anybody know what happened around that time, ie some personal tragedy?

There was a pretty big epidemic of internet poisoning around that time that was followed immediately by COVID.

At the end of 2019 the TSLA stock price took off. Maybe it went to his head a little?

Other people noted a lot of things. Another is that he traveled to Shanghai to set up a gigafactory.

s/autistic roman/nazi/

Please don't use "autistic" as a slur.

i very much don't use "autistic" as a slur, my comment was a riff on how Muskites tried to defend the salute https://time.com/7208614/elon-musk-nazi-salute-reactions-deb...