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Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stevoski on Saturday February 22, 2025 @02:01AM (#43136773)
“Are you coming with?”

After a few years living in Germany (as a native English speaker), my English and that of my friends became peppered with these German-isms.

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by bradrn on Saturday February 22, 2025 @02:12AM (#43136839)
I say this as a native English speaker… but I speak South African English (or something similar), and I’ve heard that this expression is due to Afrikaans influence!
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stavros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @04:59AM (#43137641)
That's probably because Afrikaans is Dutch, and Dutch is German.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by bradrn on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:12AM (#43137708)
Well, ‘is’ isn’t quite the right word… but they’re all closely related languages, yes, which is why I mentioned it.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stavros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:13AM (#43137715)
Yep, I was being liberal with "is" there, but hopefully the point came across.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by jessekv on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:25PM (#43143902)
Dutch is German, and English is French.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stavros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:38PM (#43143998)
English is French and German.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by jessekv on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:49PM (#43144091)
And therefore, Dutch is English :D
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stavros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:53PM (#43144127)
No, English and Dutch are distant cousins.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by jessekv on Saturday February 22, 2025 @08:07PM (#43145135)
Haha ok- but then so is German. Dutch has Low Franconian origins, and the more you learn about it the weirder it gets. Also, it did not have the consonant shift- e.g. water (en) vs water (nl) vs wasser (de).

That said, after centuries of relative stability, modern Dutch is absorbing English words as fast as it can, who knows if it is still recognisable in 50 years.

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stavros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @09:45PM (#43145892)
I don't know, I think maybe Dutch and German are more estranged siblings. English is a weird case because the German part is very German, but then the non-German part is pretty big!
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by yapyap on Saturday February 22, 2025 @07:20AM (#43138341)
Afrikaans is Dutch yes, Dutch is not German.

Learn your languages before spreading unwise nonsense on the internet.

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by carlmr on Saturday February 22, 2025 @07:40AM (#43138485)
Not OP here. You're right, but you could be more charitable in your reading of the previous comment. While it's wrong at the micro level it's not even nonsense on the macro level. Dutch and German are at the very least very related. They share a lot of constructs and words.

There's no reason to be so disrespectful.

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by eps on Saturday February 22, 2025 @04:51AM (#43137610)
Similarly "I've been here since two days" is usually a giveaway that somebody's translating from French.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by raphael_l on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:03AM (#43137663)
It’s actually also indicative of German! (and I would assume a few other languages?)

“Ich bin seit zwei Tagen hier.”

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by OJFord on Saturday February 22, 2025 @07:48AM (#43138543)
Hindi too, maiñ do din se yahāñ hūñ.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were most languages really, English 'for' seems the weirder construction.

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by ninalanyon on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:20PM (#43140913)
You could use it in English too so long as you add 'ago' on the end. "Since two days" makes no sense in English because "since" refers to a point in time not a duration.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by OJFord on Saturday February 22, 2025 @02:57PM (#43142568)
That still doesn't sound natural to me. You could answer 'since when' with 'two days ago', but declaring it as a statement I'd say 'for the last two days' or 'since the day before yesterday'.

You could get away with it in speech since it sounds like 'since.. [thinking] two days ago' and it's acceptable to change construction like that in casual speech, but written it doesn't seem right to me.

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by selimthegrim on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:42PM (#43144030)
Could also be do din tak but that implies you’re about to take off
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by dizhn on Saturday February 22, 2025 @08:20AM (#43138758)
Do you notice an increase in this usage lately? I see it a lot on reddit and hn. All romance languages probably have it by the way. I know Italian does for sure.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by stavros on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:03AM (#43137657)
Isn't German the same? "Ich bin schon seit zwei Tagen hier".
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by yurishimo on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:54AM (#43137908)
I said this long before I moved out of the US. I live in NL now. I wish I could tell you where it came from. Probably from my stepfather who was raised in a rural Texas area that probably had some old Germanic roots.
Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by OJFord on Saturday February 22, 2025 @07:41AM (#43138491)
That sounds perfectly British English to me, to the extent that I thought your point was going to be it was something German had stamped out of you.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it's nationwide, or a local dialect (Dorset/West country) thing - interesting because there's a lot of German/Saxonism retained in the dialect, usually about word choice or spelling though, not phrases. As far as I'm aware anyway, not an expert.

(For example we tend to prefer the -t ending of -ed verbs: 'burnt' not 'burned' etc. including in stronger cases words like 'turnt' ('turned' in any usage, not the modern slang for drunk) that Wiktionary etc. will tell you are obsolete.)

Re:Can You Lose Your Native Tongue? (2024) by Clamchop on Saturday February 22, 2025 @11:27PM (#43146520)
This example at least sounds perfectly natural to me, in California. I can remember my dad saying it, who was also a born and raised Californian. No German around whatsoever, shrug.