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Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by scarab92 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @04:51AM (#43112893)
> blocked by the courts as it is illegal

False. It was a temporary injuction until the judge has time to review it.

> They are unelected,

So are 2.5 million other employees and advisors in government.

Do you actually have a cogent argument, or are just inherently anti-Musk and playing loosey goosey with the justification?

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by Timwi on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:28AM (#43113476)
> or are just inherently anti-Musk

The dude made a Nazi salute in public in broad daylight. So yes, I'm inherently anti-Musk because I'm inherently anti-Nazi because Nazis are inherently anti human rights and anti basic freedoms.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by brigandish on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:48AM (#43113591)
Are Nazis for big government or for small government?
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by throwawayqqq11 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:22AM (#43113853)
Big on authoritarianism and small on everything else.

Can you tell me a cost reduction plan involving police or military or do i have to label it law-and-order with a sharp salute for you to understand what i am talking about?

Communication is so messy man, two sides, same iterpretation ... just tell me when i can lower my arm of friendship, that absolutely noone could misunderstand.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by brigandish on Friday February 21, 2025 @01:44AM (#43124700)
> Big on authoritarianism and small on everything else.

Historically, that has not been the case, hence the question.

> Can you tell me a cost reduction plan involving police or military or do i have to label it law-and-order with a sharp salute for you to understand what i am talking about?

Just yesterday this[0] was a headline: "Hegseth wants Pentagon to cut 8% from defense budget for each of the next 5 years"

[0] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hegseth-pentagon-8-percent-cuts...

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by sympil on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:45AM (#43113222)
> They are unelected, So are 2.5 million other employees and advisors in government.

The 2.5 million you speak of operate within agencies whose mandates have been given by Congress and their actions are subject to judicial reciew. There is no Comgressional mandate for DOGE. They are the rogue agency people like you spent years worrying about.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by briandear on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:11AM (#43113388)
Doge doesn’t need a congressional mandate. There’s Article II.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by refurb on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:58AM (#43113308)
DOGE is an agency, it took over the digital services agency that existed before.[1]. Obama had created the original agency, not Congress, so Trump had the ability to change it.

"The United States Digital Service is hereby publicly renamed as the United States DOGE Service (USDS) and shall be established in the Executive Office of the President."

And I’m not sure why you think a “congressional mandate” is required for the executive to do things, it’s not. Especially for an agency that a former President created on his own.

As for data access, my understanding is the digital services agency already had data access to other agencies through pre-existing agreements (it goes back to the original mandate to fix the Obamacare website which required pulling data from numerous databases).

[1]https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by toyg on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:03AM (#43113700)
The mandate and personnel of the Digital Service are completely different from DOGE, so they are effectively different things. Renaming an existing one was just an administrative shortcut taken by an executive that clearly does not care for the spirit or the letter of any law (as stated by the president himself in his infamous tweet).
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by refurb on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:01PM (#43123883)
As you are well aware Washington DC isn’t big on following “the spirit of the law” and is a big fan on quick workarounds for the bureaucracy that slows things to a crawl.

I give credit to Trump and Musk for playing the DC game like professional politicians.

It’s pretty clear you can’t get anything done in DC without it.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by zpeti on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:56AM (#43113296)
> There is no Comgressional mandate for DOGE.

There is. It was given during Obama. You might not like it, but it looks like DOGE is likely to be completely legal and working within the frameworks of the government.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by scott_w on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:03AM (#43112970)
> False. It was a temporary injuction until the judge has time to review it.

It was in fact multiple injunctions because people at DOGE kept trying to work around it in increasingly stupid ways.

> So are 2.5 million other employees and advisors in government.

Those employees are employed by a government agency established, funded and given their mission by Congress. The heads of these agencies are approved by the US Senate.

None of these statements above apply to Elon Musk or "DOGE."

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by whatever1 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:30AM (#43113137)
I agree with all of the above, but to be blunt, even if they were to go through the congress, they would be approved since Republicans have majority everywhere and they seem to have given a blank check to the President.

We did this to ourselves.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by scott_w on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:39AM (#43113188)
That's definitely possible. Ultimately, it was up to the public of the USA to be the backstop against this and they chose not to.

I think it's worth pointing out that it's not a given Congress would have approved it all. For a start, it would take longer to legally setup the instruments that Musk wanted. Also, the current situation allows Republicans to conveniently wash their hands of any negative consequences. Which is likely a big reason they're not pushing on this at all, as demanding a vote would require them to take a clear side on DOGE.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by xnx on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:27AM (#43113471)
They're doing it by executive order because they don't have the votes to do it in congress with their slim majority.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by ZeroGravitas on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:06AM (#43113719)
Musk has publicly threatened to fund a primary challenger for any Congressman who gets in his way so, in some very real sense he's the one doing it, rather than the voters who voted for their congressman, perhaps not expecting them to be threatened into compliance by the richest man in the world.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by MourYother on Thursday February 20, 2025 @04:58AM (#43112937)
Talking yourself into being okay with a coup by criminal organisation is a hell of a cope.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by scarab92 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:06AM (#43112993)
> a coup by criminal organisatio

I wonder how much of your concern is driven this type of paranoid hyperbole

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by MourYother on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:12AM (#43113036)
What hyperbole? Trum is a criminal and has been convicted. And Felon is allowed to do whatever nd ignore all rules, checks and regulations "in the name of efficiency" there's really no hyperbole here if anything I'm downplaying the situation.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by lenkite on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:47AM (#43113581)
Are you talking about the politically motivated charge brought by Alvin Bragg where the "New York Election Law § 17-152", which prohibits conspiracies to promote or prevent an election by unlawful means, was twisted sufficiently so that a "hush payment" was deliberately escalated to a felony ?

A judgement that was presided by a well-known anti-Trump judge whose OWN daughter worked for "Authentic Campaigns" - which took significant payments to the tune of millions of dollars from the Biden-Harris campaign - and also $16 million from Schiff ? The judge should have recused himself as applicable under "Section 100.3(E)(1) of the Rules of Judicial Conduct", but then I guess it would have been hard to find another partisan judge if he had done so.

What a joke - that conviction truly proved to the ENTIRE world that the U.S. is a corrupt BANANA republic and does not possesses the moral authority to preach about "opposition treatment" to nations of the Global South. The next time a US Secretary of State threatens sanctions while preaching high-faluting nonsense about the principles of democracy, this judgement will definitely be brought up.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by MourYother on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:01AM (#43113684)
Listen, I know it's hard to have a sexual abuser for a president, I hope he's not in the room with you.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by alt227 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:56AM (#43114099)
Whatever you say, Donald Trump has been convicted of a felony.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by john_the_writer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:05AM (#43112990)
These are also staff of the government.. Or contracted by the government. The government contracts out all the time.