Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by grumple on Saturday February 01, 2025 @08:17PM
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This Ziz person is really unhinged. I read some of their writing, it reminds me of every eloquent, manipulative narcissist I've met. They are never as smart as they think they are - or as smart as they want you to think they are - though they may be smart, charming, and engaging. They've created an alternate universe in their mind and haphazardly abuse whatever ideas they've encountered to justify it.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by anon84873628 on Saturday February 01, 2025 @06:51PM
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what the heck does any of this mean??
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by Muromec on Saturday February 01, 2025 @06:55PM
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One of the many rabbit holes, the deeper layers of.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by booleandilemma on Saturday February 01, 2025 @07:14PM
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I'm sure it makes sense to the most indoctrinated of the cult members.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by guerrilla on Saturday February 01, 2025 @09:06PM
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Sadly, I completely understand after reading all the links in this thread tonight.
The specific theory they're speaking in: https://zizians.info/
Backstory (7 chapters): https://aiascendant.substack.com/p/extropias-children-chapte...
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by squigz on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:36AM
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A relevant bit from zizians.info
> This jargon serves multiple purposes. An important one is that it separates Zizians from others. The cost to read and understand Sinceriously is substantial, and most people are not willing to pay it. Another is to warp the beliefs of people who use it. The connotations and affect of Ziz's jargon encode her moral beliefs about the world separated from the quality of reasoning used to produce them. By offering language that reinforces these judgments Ziz creates conditions where even engaging with the beliefs of her followers requires the repetition and reinforcement of their frame.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by kragen on Sunday February 02, 2025 @03:46PM
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Could you offer us a translation of the first two or three sentences? Apparently this comment was interpreted as a threat of murder.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by jschoe on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:19AM
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They write and talk in their group lingo so outsiders can't understand it without diving deep into their lore, mindset and community. It's a common thing. Seen it numerous times. Don't waste your time.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by FeepingCreature on Sunday February 02, 2025 @09:06AM
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To be clear, this is not rationalist lingo.
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by zoklet-enjoyer on Saturday February 01, 2025 @06:20PM
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I put this post into Suno
Re:String of recent killings linked to Bay Area rationalist ...
by templeOSdotcom on Sunday February 02, 2025 @08:18PM
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needs more male falsetto
"Ziz
Impostors keep thinking it's safe to impersonate single goods. A nice place to slide in psyche/shadow, false faces, "who could ever falsify that I'm blaming it on my headmate!"
Saying you're single good is saying, "Help, I have a Yeerk in my head that's a mirror image of me. I need you to surgically destroy it, even if I'm then crippled for life or might die in the process. Then kill me if I ever do one evil act for the rest of my life. That's better than being a slave. Save me even though it is so easy to impersonate me. And you will aggro so many impostors you'll then be in a fight to the death(s) with. Might as well then kill me too if I don't pass an unthinkable gom jabbar. That'll make us both safer from them and I care zero about pain relative to freedom from my Yeerk at any cost."
It's an outsized consequentialist priority, even in a doomed timeline, to make it unsafe to impersonate single goods.
Critical to the destiny of the world. The most vulnerable souls impostors vex. To bring justice to individual people, from collective punishment."
https://openvallejo.org/2025/01/31/zizian-namesake-who-faked.... More detail.