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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by sigmoid10 on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:17AM (#42838982)
How many mass produced electric cars were sold there in the same class in 2020? I see some potential bias in this statistic because Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then, but I don't speak Danish.
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by prmoustache on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:32AM (#42839127)
I can't say about Denmark but my observation is that the electric car landscape in europe might be slightly more diversified than say in the USA.

Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla.

Here are the numbers I found for 2020:

1 Renault Zoe: 99,261

2 Tesla Model 3: 85,713

3 Volkswagen ID 3: 56,118

4 Hyundai Kona: 47,796

5 Volkswagen eGolf: 33,650

6 Peugeot e208: 31,287

7 Kia eNiro: 31,019

8 Nissan Leaf: 30,916

9 Audi E-tron: 26,454

10 BMW i3: 23,113

So there are many more EV cars from other brands sold in 2020 than there were Tesla Model 3. The Tesla Model 3 represented at the very least less than 18.5% of cars as I only counted the top 10.

source: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-ecli...

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by sehansen on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:01AM (#42839307)
Tesla Model 3 was the most sold electric car sales in Denmark in 2020 at around 1/3 of electric cars sold:

1 Tesla Model 3: 4,277

2 Volkswagen ID.3: 1,722

3 Hyundai Kona: 1,160

4 Kia Niro: 834

5 Renault Zoe: 704

6 Volkswagen Golf: 625

7 Nissan Leaf: 566

8 Audi E-tron: 493

9 Volkswagen Up!: 369

10 Porsche Taycan: 327

Source: https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler...

So the Danish electric car market was somewhat diversified, but the Tesla brand was very strong back then. Still, you're absolutely correct that there were enough other electric cars sold back than that the comparison with the Model 3 is fair.

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by rsynnott on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:36AM (#42839527)
> Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla.

I mean, it wasn't even really reactive; the Leaf and Zoe came out at about the same time as the Tesla Model S, and weren't competing with it (they were well under half the price). They were quite old news by the time the Model 3 launched. The VW eGolf and BMW i3 also predate affordable (sub-100k) Tesla cars being available, at least in Europe.

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by prmoustache on Monday January 27, 2025 @07:10AM (#42840276)
True. I think even before that the Mitsubishi iMiev and its peugeot/citroën counterparts predated the Model S and outsold it in the early years.
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by menaerus on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:28AM (#42839092)
That could be said if same defects and similar results hadn't been found by yet another test from TÜV (Germany).

https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by therouwboat on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:23AM (#42839031)
Does it matter if its electric when it has problems with "brakes, lights, wheels and steering"?
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by speerer on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:27AM (#42839076)
I'd love to know the answer to this. It sounds like a very complicated question. Do electric cars go harder on their brakes because of regenerative braking perhaps?
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by kiney on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:31AM (#42839122)
EVs use their brakes less which ironically leads to more problems because of rust
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by menaerus on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:42AM (#42839194)
Brakes are not used as much because of regenerative braking and that somehow seems to impair the braking system.

I was also interested in what is meant by "steering" - here it seems that the main culprit is the weight of the batteries that are putting a lot of stress on the suspension system.

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by ok_dad on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:29AM (#42839101)
It's the opposite, EVs tend to rarely need disc or pad replacements because of the regen brakes.
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by silversmith on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:50AM (#42839234)
If used in California.

Mix in wetter conditions, and salted roads in winter, and you have a recipe for disaster - the components experience all of the weather, but none of the "cleaning" force of actual braking. Anecdotal evidence, every single electric car owner I personally know has complained about brake rust here in Latvia. Even those with small 50km range plug-in hybrids, when used mainly for daily commuting within electrical range.

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by blueflow on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:56AM (#42839643)
Only holds true in dry regions of the world.
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by seszett on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:40AM (#42839177)
> Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then

About 40% of the electric cars sold in Denmark in (edit: september) 2020 were Teslas:

https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ (the source for this is https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilim... only available on Archive.org anymore apparently)

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by Mordisquitos on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:24AM (#42839037)
Market share of battery electric vehicles in Denmark is currently 51.5%: https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-i...
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by weego on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:25AM (#42839049)
How does sales volume bias long term per-car quality and reliability?
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by consp on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:30AM (#42839107)
It doesn't but low numbers can skew some results for others (in case you want to compare). Then again, it doesn't look to be the case anyway due to the massive amount of BEVs driving around.
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by Dylan16807 on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:39AM (#42839166)
If the entire electric car category outside of Tesla was less than 50, that type of statistical anomsly might be possible for other electric cars. Otherwise it's not happening.

But the Tesla number would still be way too high.

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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by lm28469 on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:22AM (#42839018)
May I introduce you to the concept of percentage ?
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Re:One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic... by sigmoid10 on Monday January 27, 2025 @12:25PM (#42843439)
You might wanna start by learning about the law of large numbers.
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