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Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:10PM (#42787415)
Genuine question: Of all the people to pardon, why him?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:12PM (#42787439)
The only underlying constant with Trump that I can tell is that he personally has to profit from whatever he commits to. Anything else that sounds like a selfless principle from Trump sort of just comes and goes with Trump and you never hear about it again. Presumably Ross & Friends made the appropriate promise.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:15PM (#42787469)
Why now, and not 4 years from now when Trump is about to leave office?

How do republicans in Idaho (who don't even have medical marijuana on the books), defend Trump pardoning someone convicted of drug trafficking?

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:17PM (#42787489)
Why not now?

Trump isn't up for re-election. It's his act alone.

He promised in the election to pardon other criminals and it didn't hurt him.

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Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:39PM (#42787710)
Well even if he bet on going that route he wouldn't have to be "elected", and my last line applies none the less, it didn't hurt him during an actual election.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by plagiarist on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:41PM (#42787733)
Yes. Except, "neutralize?" I don't know why the federal government would bother with the pretense of a 22nd Amendment when they demonstrably do not care in the slightest about the 14th or most of the Bill of Rights.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by blindriver on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:41PM (#42787730)
He promised the Libertarians he would and he's holding true to his word. Say what you will but at least he's fulfilling his campaign promises.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mmooss on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:01PM (#42787936)
What about his campaign promise for law and order?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:16PM (#42788062)
Trump's Law, not you know, the people's law.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by talldayo on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:47PM (#42788330)
He promised international canvassers that we'd have peace in Ukraine on his first day in office. Whatever he arranged with druggie libertarians is chopped liver from a policy perspective. On the international stage it's the dictionary definition of a nothingburger.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mmooss on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:01PM (#42787934)
That argument isn't contrary to the GP comment: It's very possible Trump is offered a benefit now that he wasn't offered in 2020.

You could ask the same of any deal: Why not instead of years ago? Because the deal wasn't available years ago.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by floydnoel on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:44AM (#42793974)
as somebody with family members who are "republicans in idaho" they mostly won’t care. many if not most republican idahoans think you should be able to own machine guns and do whatever you want without hurting others.

the mormon ones would be the most likely that would object, but even plenty of the republican/libertarian mormons i know are happy to have the massive government overreach corrected.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @03:56PM (#42797404)
> The Trump admin was already selling pardons at the end of their last term, why wouldn't they continue doing so?

Substantiating my obliterated sibling comment:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/giuliani-accu...

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by timewizard on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:18PM (#42788082)
You believe there are "selfless politicians" operating in America right now?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:19PM (#42788096)
I believe there's a wide range of choices and behaviors and any poor choice is not equivalent to all poor choices.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:02PM (#42788440)
I honestly kinda think that first degree murder is similar to other first degree murders. But that's just me.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by timewizard on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:21PM (#42788115)
Ah, so when challenged, you immediately acknowledge there is a spectrum and not a black and white picture. That makes for a poor thread.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:23PM (#42788128)
I don't know what you mean.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by jedberg on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:38PM (#42788689)
Yes. I think many of them are. The harassment and constant criticism isn't worth it unless you really care about the people you serve in most cases.

It's pretty obvious which ones are doing it for themselves.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by hilux on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:13PM (#42787444)
According to Trump, he is doing this to get libertarian support.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by macinjosh on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:19PM (#42787518)
Trump promised to do this at the Libertarian Party convention. This case is very important to the libertarian crowd. He is a martyr for many of their ideals. After Trump was so well received at the convention the LP, recently taken over by the right faction of the party, put forth a candidate specifically chosen to not get votes so that members would vote for Trump. Trump seems to be a man of his word.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:27PM (#42787593)
Voters wanted a better economy first, not pardons for drug traffickers and violent offenders.

This could have waited until after the midterms.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Klonoar on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:38PM (#42788691)
> This could have waited until after the midterms.

On the contrary, he can just bury it in the first 48 hours. This will fade into the background soon enough but that group is kept happy.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mattpope on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:31PM (#42787633)
It seems like the voters that were being referred to value restoring rights. How can something immediately achievable be balanced with "the economy", a thing so broad and deeply systemic?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:41PM (#42787737)
The people in Pennsylvania who elected him, didn't want this.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mattpope on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:32PM (#42788210)
It isn't clear from your original statement that those voters aren't from Pennsylvania. I interpret your statement as discounting the weight of their vote on actions they care about. There are many perspectives, and the values of those who did vote in that direction are being addressed in some way.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:55PM (#42788392)
A lot of republicans want a "shining city upon the hill". Drug free, sin free, tough penalties on crime.

A lot of republicans want a working economy. High paying jobs, low taxes.

A lot of republicans believe in a free market economy. Freedom to innovate, freedom to hire and fire.

And then we have this.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mattpope on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:03PM (#42788462)
We're talking about Libertarians and not Republicans, atleast that is what the parent comment was referring to. I don't know what Republicans what or believe vs what they say. The action to pardon directly addresses the Libertarian ideals.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:18PM (#42788555)
I guess if Trump really wanted to run Libertarian, he could have run under the Libertarian ticket.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mattpope on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:28PM (#42788616)
He attended the convention. Is is for all intents and purposes representing them.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by floydnoel on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:29AM (#42793827)
> sin free

wow, not even god could eliminate sin but apparently the republicans can?

how do you envision that being enforced? death penalty for any sin? You've never made a sin yourself? If so how could you live in sin-free city? sounds sick and dystopian.

anyway, the point i wanted to make was that when you vote for somebody, you are the one giving that person the authority to take actions on your behalf. if you voted for T, you shouldn't complain about anything he does, because he can only do so because of your vote. learn to be wary of politicians, they treat you right during the dates (election) but after the wedding the true person comes out.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by toyg on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @02:31AM (#42790088)
The people in Pennsylvania knew they were voting for an out-of-control, unpredictable, felonious septuagenarian with fascist tendencies. Complaining now that he is all of those things before he is someone who may or may not do other good things, is just silly. Either they knew, or they've been had.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:30PM (#42788195)
>This could have waited until after the midterms.

He promised to pardon the rioters during the election and it didn't hurt him. I think he decided it wouldn't hurt him (and Trump cares bout that first) and if he thought about the midterms ... maybe won't hurt then either.

Congress isn't directly involved in any of this anyway.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:47PM (#42788334)
Congress is involved. They have to prove they can govern. It's hard to be the party of "law and order" if you need only to kiss the ring for your release.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:35PM (#42788661)
GOP house could hardly operate last round and … they won more seats.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:39PM (#42789069)
I think this is funny.

People hate congress. Yet each person can vote to only change one congressman at a time.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

October of 2001 they were up to 80% approval. Left to their own devices by Aug 2002 they were below 50%.

There's an argument to be made that congress doesn't really represent the people at large. Some people go on to make the argument that through gerrymandering politicians choose who's elected, and not the people.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:46AM (#42793996)
2 parties and 2 choices certainly is a recipe for sending the wrong message.

I'd like to see some ranked choice voting.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by toyg on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @02:35AM (#42790130)
The GOP doesn't exist anymore, it's simply Trump Party. They live or die on his performance, and kiss his ring to exist.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by foogazi on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:58PM (#42787897)
Eh, lowering the price of eggs is not as easy so
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by macinjosh on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:31PM (#42787632)
It was one signature? Doesn't seem like a big time sink. Many of these early actions were prepared prior to inauguration.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:24PM (#42788138)
In war, you point your biggest gun at the enemy. You don't shoot yourself in the foot.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by weberer on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @03:41AM (#42790512)
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Bluescreenbuddy on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @08:31AM (#42792599)
The leopards will be feasting the next 4 years.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by RockyMcNuts on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:26PM (#42788997)
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by orblivion on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:12PM (#42788916)
The LP candidate was nominated due to some fluke/shenanigans/dealings between candidates. Based on the right-leaning demographics you would not expect him to win. It just happened to work out perfectly to get the people who would never vote for him anyway to vote for Trump. (Meanwhile the chairwoman encouraged Biden supporters to vote for the LP candidate).

Also, Trump actually got a mixed reception at the convention at best.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by insane_dreamer on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:40PM (#42787727)
> Trump seems to be a man of his word.

when there's political gain, sure

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by blindriver on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:44PM (#42787760)
You may not like Trump but I remember he fulfilled or attempted to fulfill a lot of his campaign promises back in 2016 as well. Biden, the career politician, talked a lot about many things before election and then forgot about them after he was elected. For example, universal health care. Obama promised to enshrine a woman's right to abortion as law, and then when he had the House and Senate after he was elected, he said "it's not a priority for me." Then we lost Roe V Wade.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by duxup on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:31PM (#42788205)
>or attempted

That's a really low bar with that bit added. "I didn't say it would be easy" was his line about his token tariffs the first term ... then he never tried again for the rest of that term.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mmooss on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:58PM (#42787899)
He also lies all the time about many things. People are are sometimes honest are called 'liars'.

> when he had the House and Senate after he was elected, he said "it's not a priority for me."

How could he get it through the Senate without a filibuster-proof majority?

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by insane_dreamer on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:50PM (#42787824)
Trump did just about what every president does - makes promises and then does some of them, tries to some others (successful unless thwarted by Congress), and ignores others.

Obama didn't have the votes in the Senate (to overcome the filibuster, also not as many Dems congressmen supported it as you might think). Neither did Clinton (people thought it would happen then)

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:14PM (#42788050)
I'm privately predicting the senate will remove the filibuster this term.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by insane_dreamer on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:45PM (#42788318)
> universal health care

that was Obama - Biden never promised that

Biden delivered on the IRA and climate change bill.

Trump promised to "drain the swamp" and filled it instead. I can't think of any major campaign promise that he fulfilled - he didn't even build the wall (probably his main promise).

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by WillPostForFood on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:21PM (#42788574)
that was Obama - Biden never promised that

https://jacobin.com/2022/08/joe-biden-public-option-health-c...

I can't think of any major campaign promise that he fulfilled

Renegotiate NAFTA

Lower Taxes

Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem

Nominate to the Supreme Court from the list he shared

Kill TPP

No Social Security Cuts

Take No Salary

Where he failed, it generally wasn't for trying, but because he was getting blocked by Congress, the courts, and the general bureaucracy. You only have to look at the last 48 hours to see a better prepared Trump committed to his promises.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by tzs on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:17AM (#42789288)
I'm not sure "No Social Security Cuts" should count, because (1) he did try to cut it in his proposed 2020 budget, (2) he did nothing to try to address the shortfall that is expected in the social security trust fund around 2033, and (3) he said that if he was reelected in 2020 he would get rid of the payroll tax, which would have moved the depletion of the trust fund up to around 2026.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ttyprintk on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:13AM (#42793046)
He took 3/4 of his salary
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Nimitz14 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:15PM (#42788051)
When did Biden talk about universal healthcare?

Let's go through Trump's campaign promises: Infrastructure, Border wall, increased US manufacturing, repealing ACA, "drain the swamp". He achieved zero of those.

Biden in contrast followed up on his campaign promises: Infrastructure, increased US manufacturing, expanding ACA plus lowering costs. Among others.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Dalewyn on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:44PM (#42788302)
>Trump seems to be a man of his word.

One of the big reasons I voted for him. He actually keeps the promises he made as far reality will allow.

What's really stupid is that keeping promises made isn't the norm for politicians, of all kinds.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by jdjdjfhfkeksnc on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:55PM (#42787876)
This is 100% true. I am posting from an anon account (obviously), but I was heavily involved in this. I worked with members of the party to push part of their strategy - mainly the coalition with trump and an effort to get vivek and elon involved. We spoke about this in 2023. I didn't care about Ross, had my own motivations, but I wrote some of their playback with AI and it worked. I didn't know about certain things (like the losing candidate for example). I wrote strategy that seems to have made its way all the way to Trump's team.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by batch12 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:38PM (#42788260)
Without proof this is just a bedtime story.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ttyprintk on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:16AM (#42793065)
So, when Trump said that some of the same FBI agents involved in busting DPR also worked on Trump’s cases, how precise was that?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by IncreasePosts on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:20PM (#42787528)
Presumably musk pushed for it. Not sure who else in/near the administration would even have him on their radar
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by silisili on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:34PM (#42787667)
Whether or not he was the sole or even primary reason, he knew about it beforehand as seen by his tweet last night saying it was coming soon. Love him or hate him, it's a bit concerning that he has that level of access IMO.

The tweet:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1881524296386031892

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by tomhoward on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:25PM (#42787575)
It’s been a campaign of Mike Cernovich’s for a long time.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by arrowsmith on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:34PM (#42787673)
And Trump cares what Mike Cernovich thinks because.... ?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by mplewis on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:46PM (#42787780)
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Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Havoc on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:22PM (#42787556)
Musk is definitely a fan recreationally chemistry
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by xigency on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:40PM (#42787725)
The clips of him rolling his eyes and head around in boredom at the inauguration definitely looked like he was suffering from some kind of withdrawal symptoms.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by freddi333 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:26PM (#42787585)
Trump promised it when he attended the libertarian convention
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ty6853 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:21PM (#42787536)
What do you mean? Trump just pardoned or commuted pretty much all of the J6 crowd. One guy convicted of crimes that don't require proving violence beyond a reasonable doubt is pretty tame in comparison. He is one of thousands.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by insane_dreamer on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:39PM (#42787717)
Trump know the Jan 6 rioters and supported them. Pardoning is important to justify his claim that nobody did anything wrong as that the election was "stolen by the Dems".

I can't imagine he would have known Ross Ulbricht's case.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:36PM (#42787685)
What? All crimes were proved beyond a reasonable doubt according to a jury of our peers. (Or they plead guilty).
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ty6853 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:39PM (#42787712)
The violent element was not proven for Ross. The judge decided on preponderance of evidence he hired the hit man, and sentenced him as if he did.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:29PM (#42788185)
Ulbricht was convicted of crimes by a jury of his peers though.

There are no mandatory maximums in sentencing guidelines. Just mandatory minimums.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by beeflet on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:45PM (#42787773)
because it was a promise he made to the libertarian camp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ofi6U0eWE

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by orblivion on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:04PM (#42788867)
He upgraded from commutation to pardon, I wonder about what happened there.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bb88 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:35PM (#42789046)
Elon transferred a BTC wallet over to Trump. Prove me wrong!
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by beeflet on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:47PM (#42789121)
it would be visible on-chain, so if you notice something weird you can take a look and point it out to us.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by bustling-noose on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:03AM (#42789205)
It might be visible. Just not a large amount from one account to another. Thats not how laundering works and definitely not how trades work that are supposed to go unnoticed.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Spooky23 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:04PM (#42788467)
They seem to be pandering to the more libertarian tech community. This guy appeals to that and to the more radical maga types who want a revolution. I’m sure we’ll see more.

The Biden DOJs bungling of the insurrection, turning a jail into a martyrs club, slow rolling prosecutions, etc is ultimately worse than the insurrection for democracy.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by cbsmith on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @07:48AM (#42792230)
> The Biden DOJs bungling of the insurrection, turning a jail into a martyrs club, slow rolling prosecutions, etc is ultimately worse than the insurrection for democracy.

I'd argue promoting that narrative was ultimately worse than the insurrection for democracy.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by drawkward on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @08:30AM (#42792584)
What narrative?
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ttyprintk on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:05AM (#42792955)
That the Federal government has no obligation to prosecute an armed mob breaking into Congress.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by drawkward on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:36AM (#42793899)
Agreed!
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by SamPatt on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:05PM (#42788472)
It's because of his mother Lyn.

She was a tireless advocate for his release from the start, and it became a part of the libertarian cause to see him released.

It worked. Trump courted the libertarian vote, and this was his most popular promise to them.

She's an inspiring woman. I'm so glad she lived to see this.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by y0ssar1an on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @12:37AM (#42789389)
Yay the drug trafficker and hitman hirer is free! What a happy ending! /s
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by dools on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @07:16AM (#42791938)
Don't forget all the zombie drones who attacked the capitol on his behalf
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ttyprintk on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:56AM (#42793469)
Someone with that dedication can now move on to remedying the damage done by a free-for-all gun marketplace.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by xwolfi on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:49PM (#42788770)
Trump explains it eloquently:

"The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me," Trump said in his post online on Tuesday evening. "He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!"