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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by grahamj on Friday January 10, 2025 @03:59PM (#42660149)
When the playing field is tilted you have to put a thumb on the other side to balance it out. This might annoy the ones who were tilting it in the first place.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ChocolateGod on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:16PM (#42660333)
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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dang on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:47PM (#42661176)
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ChocolateGod on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:52PM (#42660686)
Stop doing what? DEI?

I'm not sure of your point.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by inemesitaffia on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:01PM (#42660781)
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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dang on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:47PM (#42661180)
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by inemesitaffia on Saturday January 11, 2025 @03:36AM (#42664357)
The site was down for maintenance and I couldn't quite edit to get out what I wanted.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dang on Sunday January 12, 2025 @07:34PM (#42678639)
(Usually that means we're restarting the server, which usually takes about 15 seconds to turn over. Just FYI for the future)
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by moshegramovsky on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:42PM (#42661129)
There are huge numbers of white, Indian, and Asian men working in tech. Why do you think white men are considered stale?
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by inemesitaffia on Saturday January 11, 2025 @03:24AM (#42664295)
Search for the phrase. Apparently Asians are now white in the telling of these people.

I'm pointing out the inherent racism in these efforts in practice.

The only really positive thing I saw was hiring more from HBCU's.

But that crowd never pointed out white people were underrepresented in tech. And that lots of the black people they claimed they were helping by hiring were actually Pacific Islanders, African immigrants and second generation African immigrants rather than ADOS that they claimed to be helping

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by grahamj on Friday January 10, 2025 @10:25PM (#42663033)
Because one of them is systemically suppressing the others. The point of DEI is (or at least should be) to counteract systemic bias; how can you do that without looking at the characteristics that are the determining factor of that bias?

tbf this should all start at the education level so that black/hispanic/indigenous girls/gays/whatevers aren't joining CS classes, looking around and thinking they don't belong there, but until that's reality all we can do is tackle it where it impacts people the most - hiring.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ChocolateGod on Friday January 10, 2025 @10:42PM (#42663109)
> counteract systemic bias

What is the bias and causes it?

Because I don't think it's a systemic bias in the hiring system, so why not solve the problem rather than trying to patch the effect.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ConspiracyFact on Friday January 10, 2025 @11:53PM (#42663400)
> Because one of them is systemically suppressing the others.

Prove it.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by Izkata on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:20AM (#42664003)
> tbf this should all start at the education level so that black/hispanic/indigenous girls/gays/whatevers aren't joining CS classes, looking around and thinking they don't belong there

I never thought that. That part of me was irrelevant to the degree, and I found it great that no one cared and were able to focus on the degree.

Forcing diversity topics in and making them a focus instead would have been hell.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by programjames on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:10PM (#42660275)
How are the people without the jobs doing the tilting?
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by grahamj on Friday January 10, 2025 @11:05PM (#42663194)
They aren't, but it's unfair from them to benefit from the tilt.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by programjames on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:42PM (#42668408)
Who is benefiting from the tilt? Are they the same people getting thumbed in your proposed solution?

EDIT, I'd also like to add: Why do you believe this tilt exists? I find it plausible to exist (especially because lots of people seem to make a lot of money talking about it), but where is the evidence for it? What I'm asking for isn't evidence that one group of people are doing better than another, I'm asking for evidence that a group of people are being discriminated against. E.g., if you took the exact same person and switched out their profile photo to showcase a Hispanic woman instead of an Asian man, they would end up with far fewer job offers. The thing is, people have tried doing exactly this, and every time it goes the other way! The exact same application, minus a name and photo change, has the reverse effect from what you would expect if the basis behind DEI initiatives was true.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dsajames on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:15PM (#42660319)
This isn't pressing your thumb. This is throwing away half the scale
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by CyberDildonics on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:36PM (#42660540)
No matter what people think the right thing to do is, making any hiring decision on the basis of a protected group is illegal in the US, no matter who is on what side of the equation.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by jrockway on Friday January 10, 2025 @07:26PM (#42662027)
People aren't making hiring decisions based on protected classes. Rather, they're looking for qualified candidates in new areas.

One thing that's common is for people to recommend their friends for jobs. Most of the time, their friends look just like them, because that's the kind of friends that people make. If you base your hiring process around this easy source of candidates, you end up not talking to a lot of people that would be qualified for the position. "DEI" can be as simple as "in addition to employee referrals, we're going to hand out brochures at a career fair".

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by grahamj on Friday January 10, 2025 @10:27PM (#42663040)
> People aren't making hiring decisions based on protected classes. Rather, they're looking for qualified candidates in new areas.

But but, won't someone think of the poor white males?

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by DaSHacka on Saturday January 11, 2025 @01:11AM (#42663714)
They actually have been recently; Especially in academia where after racial-based Affirmative Action was ruled unconstitutional, wealth-based AA has been helping economically disadvantaged individuals—even including white men.

https://journalistsresource.org/education/race-neutral-alter...