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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ChocolateGod on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:16PM (#42660333)
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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dang on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:47PM (#42661176)
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ChocolateGod on Friday January 10, 2025 @04:52PM (#42660686)
Stop doing what? DEI?

I'm not sure of your point.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by inemesitaffia on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:01PM (#42660781)
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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dang on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:47PM (#42661180)
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by inemesitaffia on Saturday January 11, 2025 @03:36AM (#42664357)
The site was down for maintenance and I couldn't quite edit to get out what I wanted.
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by dang on Sunday January 12, 2025 @07:34PM (#42678639)
(Usually that means we're restarting the server, which usually takes about 15 seconds to turn over. Just FYI for the future)
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by moshegramovsky on Friday January 10, 2025 @05:42PM (#42661129)
There are huge numbers of white, Indian, and Asian men working in tech. Why do you think white men are considered stale?
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by inemesitaffia on Saturday January 11, 2025 @03:24AM (#42664295)
Search for the phrase. Apparently Asians are now white in the telling of these people.

I'm pointing out the inherent racism in these efforts in practice.

The only really positive thing I saw was hiring more from HBCU's.

But that crowd never pointed out white people were underrepresented in tech. And that lots of the black people they claimed they were helping by hiring were actually Pacific Islanders, African immigrants and second generation African immigrants rather than ADOS that they claimed to be helping

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by grahamj on Friday January 10, 2025 @10:25PM (#42663033)
Because one of them is systemically suppressing the others. The point of DEI is (or at least should be) to counteract systemic bias; how can you do that without looking at the characteristics that are the determining factor of that bias?

tbf this should all start at the education level so that black/hispanic/indigenous girls/gays/whatevers aren't joining CS classes, looking around and thinking they don't belong there, but until that's reality all we can do is tackle it where it impacts people the most - hiring.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ChocolateGod on Friday January 10, 2025 @10:42PM (#42663109)
> counteract systemic bias

What is the bias and causes it?

Because I don't think it's a systemic bias in the hiring system, so why not solve the problem rather than trying to patch the effect.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by ConspiracyFact on Friday January 10, 2025 @11:53PM (#42663400)
> Because one of them is systemically suppressing the others.

Prove it.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by Izkata on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:20AM (#42664003)
> tbf this should all start at the education level so that black/hispanic/indigenous girls/gays/whatevers aren't joining CS classes, looking around and thinking they don't belong there

I never thought that. That part of me was irrelevant to the degree, and I found it great that no one cared and were able to focus on the degree.

Forcing diversity topics in and making them a focus instead would have been hell.