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Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by porphyra on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @11:53PM (#42571735)
I wonder why so many articles continue to say "exploded" and "caught fire" when by now it's clear that it was a deliberate act. I mean, it's not wrong, but it seems to insinuate that there's something wrong with the vehicle that caused the explosion, rather than someone intentionally stuffing it full of fireworks and explosives.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by dwood_dev on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @11:57PM (#42571747)
If anything, it seems to have done a decent job of redirecting the explosion upwards.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by palmfacehn on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:21AM (#42571890)
>"The evil knuckleheads picked the wrong vehicle for a terrorist attack. Cybertruck actually contained the explosion and directed the blast upwards.

Not even the glass doors of the lobby were broken."

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1874614362612326761

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by mmooss on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:54AM (#42572053)
What do you think of that -- do you believe it? Why is it important? Why do you think Musk posted it? ?
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by palmfacehn on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:12AM (#42572144)
From the reports I've read, the combustible materials consisted of large fireworks and some unpressurized fuel canisters. I'm not an expert in this field, but it seems that these materials, in this configuration, wouldn't create a large explosion outside of a Michael Bay movie. If placed correctly, they could have damaged the facade of the building via heat. If they had put them in a common 50 gal. steel drum with no lid, I suspect the results would have been much the same.

Why did he post it? Why did the attacker choose a CyberTruck?

If we are going to open up on speculation, then it seems reasonable to suspect that the attacker chose a CyberTruck because of Elon's relationship to the incoming administration. In response it makes sense that Elon would highlight the inept execution.

Some partisan responses to the health insurer's assassination have been positive. Even comments on this site seem to be rationalizing the violence. Typically, decent people would condemn terrorist violence as irrational escalation.

Highlighting the inept execution and poor planning illustrates the irrationality of the attacker. If Elon can subtly parlay it into some of the safety marketing or durability of his vehicle, that's an extra win on top.

Compare the narratives:

"Luigi was a smart guy and master planner who read books. Let's plug the author."

"It didn't even break the glass"

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by cmurf on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:26PM (#42577152)
Trump, Musk, the Speaker, and Fox News are running with both Vegas and New Orleans events being the result of open borders, despite both perpetrators being American citizens.

Is it fair to say this kind of distortion is typical MAGA? Typical Republican? Is it decent? Why lie?

Fox initially ran with a story the NOLA truck illegally crossed the border with Mexico. This disinformation is intentional, no one is this incompetent. They know their demographic wants to be lied to. Disinformation is the product they're selling. Same with the politicians.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by palmfacehn on Friday January 03, 2025 @05:30AM (#42584398)
This is a bit of a tangent. I haven't reviewed all of the claims you outlined.

Turtles all the way down. I would say it typifies media across the board. There's also the meta-distortion where partisan sources misrepresent the statements of opposing partisans to present them as dishonest.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by mmooss on Friday January 03, 2025 @03:24PM (#42589137)
> I would say it typifies media across the board.

It depends on what you mean by 'media', but I think among top-level news media, Fox and ideological fellow travelers embrace disinformation and produce it at orders of magnitude higher volumes, while others make occasional errors.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by dole on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:11AM (#42572141)
Easy way to save some Cybertruck face and Tesla stock price. “Happy accidents.”
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by _giorgio_ on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:40AM (#42571982)
Bomb placed right in front of the Trump tower.

That's the right title.

Do you remember when, for hours and days, CNN and other news sources refused to acknowledge the assassination attempt, saying that he was hit by something not directed at him?

https://apnews.com/article/trump-bullet-shrapnel-ronny-jacks...

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by NewJazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:49AM (#42572024)
No, I don't remember that. Maybe you should cite your source. I seem to remember every major news outlet labeling the event as an assassination attempt, some noted that the shooter mentioned Epstein on social media.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by wakawaka28 on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:33AM (#42572514)
Maybe you weren't paying attention and didn't see the "Trump led away after loud noises at rally" crap. The headlines and Google searches eventually aligned with obvious reality but it took a couple of days. This information is not terribly easy to find for most people so I'll help you out: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/07/13/media-rea...
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by NewJazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @07:37AM (#42573905)
It did not take a couple days. Btw that conservative news site you linked which cites tweets as its sources cited their own tweet first.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by wakawaka28 on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:40PM (#42577941)
Yes, in fact I think it took a week. I was being generous. I assume the site is citing their own tweet to generate views and to make people aware of their Twitter presence. So what? The info is there as requested. You're welcome.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by NewJazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @04:31PM (#42579163)
The info is not there. Misinformation, sure.

CNN published this headline one day after.

"How the assassination attempt on Trump unfolded"

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/what-happened-tr...

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by wakawaka28 on Thursday January 02, 2025 @05:10PM (#42579483)
>CNN published this headline one day after.

Yeah yeah they edit these headlines and articles in real time. Even Archive.org cannot keep up with news, and they do nothing for search results which is what I was talking about. By the way, the Internet Archive was mysteriously down for several weeks during election season after Trump's multiple assassination attempts, and I don't buy their story either.

>The info is not there. Misinformation, sure.

You only provided one CNN link, which was likely modified in real time. The memory hole is real.

The mainsteam denial went on for quite a while. They first questioned whether he was shot, then they questioned the obvious motive of the assassin with stupid crap like "It is unclear what the shooter's motive was, or if it was political." To be fair a high-ranking FBI official was muddying the water and the media is practically obligated to take that seriously ( https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/fbi-director-christoph... for example). But take your lame apologetics elsewhere. I saw this unfold in real time by the hour, as a case study in propaganda and gaslighting.

Edit: Your trolling is testing the rate limit. Here's your reply, jerk:

>Nope, the article headline was not modified in real time. But you don't care because you are only interested in information that confirms your delusion.

You are arguing with me about stuff I watched very carefully with my own eyes only a few months ago. Take your snotty attitude and gaslighting elsewhere. Do not reply to me again on anything political, ever.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by NewJazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @05:30PM (#42579680)
Nope, the article headline was not modified in real time. But you don't care because you are only interested in information that confirms your delusion.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by afavour on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:43AM (#42571997)
> refused to acknowledge the assassination attempt, saying that he was hit by something not directed at him?

That’s usually what happens when news orgs only report confirmed information, e.g. “Trump hit by projectile”. It feels misleading but it’s accurate at the time.

If you’re literally saying they were specifically stating he was hit by something “not directed at him” (as opposed to “not confirmed whether it was directed at him”) I’d be fascinated to see some examples.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by palmfacehn on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:43AM (#42571994)
It was one of his hotels in Las Vegas. The Trump Tower is in NYC, but your point is valid none the less.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by magic_smoke_ee on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:55AM (#42572056)
Apply Hanlon's razor. There was zero shrapnel and most of the force blew upwards. It definitely could've been a really poor use of judgement of storing flammable gasoline and fireworks in a confined space that then found an ignition source in the piss-poor-designed back of the CT.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by inhumantsar on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:10AM (#42572133)
have you seen the photos? this wasn't a box of basic fireworks and a can of gas. the bed was loaded with a huge amount of camp fuel and large fireworks mortars.

considering that it was rented in Colorado, parked right in front of the trump hotel lobby with the trump hotel sign right above it, and exploded right after, the simplest explanation seems to be that it was intentional and that causing a scene was more important to them than killing.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by magic_smoke_ee on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:21AM (#42572186)
Still not proof of terrorism. That's only evidence of bad judgement.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by ivewonyoung on Thursday January 02, 2025 @05:48AM (#42573384)
What about the "detonation system controlled by the driver in the Tesla Cybertruck" as reported by the FBI?

Is that bad judgement too? I swear to God the mental gymnastics to blame Tesla...

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by magic_smoke_ee on Thursday January 02, 2025 @08:28AM (#42574214)
> What about the "detonation system controlled by the driver in the Tesla Cybertruck" as reported by the FBI?

That's not a fact. I just watched a reputable report the morning after that also reiterated the FBI's position that there was still uncertainty if it was intentional or not.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by ivewonyoung on Thursday January 02, 2025 @03:10PM (#42578293)
Had a gun shot wound to his head before the explosion. Your explanation isn't making any sense.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by afavour on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:57AM (#42572069)
The early, easily confirmed facts were that the car exploded and caught fire. Same with New Orleans, the headlines said “car struck pedestrians” rather than attributing it to a deliberate act.

I don’t know if the police themselves have actually called this a deliberate act yet. Yes, the evidence looks pretty overwhelming but it might be that media orgs don’t want to jump the gun on a highly sensitive topic.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by wakawaka28 on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:28AM (#42572495)
The media has no problem jumping the gun on sensitive topics if it suits their preferred politics.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by RonaldDump on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:51AM (#42572591)
Yes this is an extension of Coulter's Law.

If it was a "White Supremacist" then the headlines would be completely different. The entire race would be unashamedly vilified by the media.

For attacks committed by other racial and religious groups, we see headlines tending more toward vagueness, avoidance of blame, insinuations of mental illness, and - very commonly - the attribution of blame to inanimate objects ("Car slams into crowd at Christmas festival").

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by defrost on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:54AM (#42572603)
Nonsense.

I don't recall a single headline of the form Starving mentally ill minority person eats cat as last resort

The usual media outlets jumped straight on the illegal immigrants eating cats narrative with nary a shred of solid evidence.

If you're not seeing headlines vilifying non white and non christian suspects on the slightest whiff of wrongdoing then you're either fully acclimatized or commenting in bad faith.

The 22 day old nom de guerre strongly suggests the latter.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by ivewonyoung on Thursday January 02, 2025 @04:49AM (#42573107)
They simply don't cover the news instead of writing headlines like that.

Like when the woman in the NYC subway was set on fire, many major news networks simply didn't report it.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by selimthegrim on Saturday January 04, 2025 @12:38PM (#42596258)
I certainly saw quite a bit about it and not just on Fox.
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by afavour on Thursday January 02, 2025 @09:20AM (#42574626)
That’s a somewhat empty statement. It would benefit from some concrete examples. Which media? What politics?
Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by wakawaka28 on Thursday January 02, 2025 @02:46PM (#42578008)
I would say all of the most popular media. Both sides do it but I sure notice it a lot more on the left. Maybe that's not fair because 80% of the media leans hard left.

As for examples, this is the most obviously damning one I can remember: a pregnant nurse (white of course) was accused of stealing an e-bike from a black man standing in a group of several other black men. The NATIONAL media wasted zero time going to her employer, talking to her neighbors, basically putting her in danger over what was at worst a misunderstanding. The pundits were out there talking smack about "weaponized white tears" and that kind of horrible hateful rant against white people and especially white women. Here's one of the updates where she tried to get people off her back: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12100201/Pregnant-N...

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by NewJazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @04:42PM (#42579250)
80% huh?

You know fox news represents more than half of the TV news audience, right?

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/cable-news...

Funny how you link the rag daily mail instead of the news organizations you are actually accusing.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by wakawaka28 on Thursday January 02, 2025 @05:23PM (#42579602)
Re: Daily Mail, that link is one of the ones that was fair to the woman. If you do a modicum of research about that (which ought to be interesting to a normal person!) you can find plenty of information, including video of some major network interviewing her neighbors. I know you don't care though, you just want to downvote my insightful comments. Go find something better to do.

>You know fox news represents more than half of the TV news audience, right?

I'm not talking about market share, I'm talking about representation in these institutions. You should know better.

I didn't just make that up about the media being biased toward the left either. It has been proven in multiple surveys and polls. Individual journalists themselves tend to lean left, and so do their agencies overall. Look at how the staff of Washington Post freaked out in response to Bezos telling them to be less biased: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/washingt...

Here's a study you might be interested in, one of many (not that I have a bibliography of this): https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/10/new-paper-out-the-left-...

If you think more than half of all people prefer Fox News to the rest, that ought to tell you how insufferably biased they are. These used to be well-respected institutions but they have destroyed any semblance of impartiality in writing and good will toward the masses.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by NewJazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @05:28PM (#42579662)
Individual journalists themselves tend to lean left

Hmm so people who spend their time researching economic, social, and political issues lean left? And that doesn't indicate anything to you?

Here's a study you might be interested in

No, I'm not interested in any sketchy links / misinformation you are providing.

These used to be well-respected institutions but they have destroyed any semblance of impartiality in writing and good will toward the masses.

Or conservative media like fox news panders to racism and bigotry for profit.

Re:The Cybertruck that exploded and the New Orleans vehicle ... by defrost on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:02AM (#42572084)
In the absence of a manifesto it's possible the driver intended a celebration of Trump and Musk by launching fireworks from a CyberTruck in front of a Trump property.

That would make it a deliberate act of r/FloridaMan stupidity.