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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by wirrbel on Saturday December 28, 2024 @01:35PM (#42533267)
He knows the rules, IMHO it's his way of pulling out of FIDE competitions without a face loss.

Not very sportsmanlike behaviour, I must say (and I am saying this as someone who admires MC).

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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by beepbopboopp on Saturday December 28, 2024 @01:46PM (#42533373)
How are you going to invent his intentions and then judge him for your inventions? This message board deserves better, the people deserve better.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @02:02PM (#42533514)
While I don't think it's fair to presume anything about his intentions, it's totally fair to presume he is aware of the rules. He's the world's best chess player of all time, and it's not his first FIDE event.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by codr7 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @05:32PM (#42535416)
I think it's totally fair to ask the question, given that he seems to be involved in starting a competing organization.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by astrange on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:20PM (#42537187)
> He's the world's best chess player of all time

This one is hard to tell because not all of them have been alive at the same time. Morphy was really, really good, but in the 1850s.

Currently there's Ivanchuk, who is good enough to beat anyone but has no stamina so can't win tournaments reliably enough to be world champion.

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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:44PM (#42537330)
There’s no way Morphy at his peak would beat Magnus at his peak (and the same goes for any of the old champions)— The way chess is played today is very different. Morphy would have needed to start from scratch and re-learn the game today from a young age to have any chance… But then he wouldn’t be the same Morphy.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by gambiting on Sunday December 29, 2024 @04:02AM (#42538687)
Or maybe Magnus wouldn't be able to cope with how Morphy plays the game and would lose. Both of them were/are used to how the game was played in their time.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by 8note on Sunday December 29, 2024 @05:51AM (#42539168)
magnus likely has every game morphy ever played, along with all of his contemporaries memorized, along with at every position in each game, what a strong engine would prefer as a move. morphy would probably be an IM by todays standards, without modernizing
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by bbarnett on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:49PM (#42534586)
I don't think the prior was a valid tact, but aren't people here inventing reasons for the jeans ban, and then judging the org for that too?
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by elif on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:30PM (#42534369)
This is fully unsubstantiated and very unlikely supposition for anyone following the chess scene
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by monkey_monkey on Saturday December 28, 2024 @02:06PM (#42533551)
Given that he removed himself from the World Chess Championship, the thought that he needs a pretext to pull out of lesser competitions is ludicrous.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by cjbprime on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:14PM (#42534198)
Given the other ways he's currently in conflict in FIDE, the idea is that he finds being disqualified in this way strategically useful, and a way to garner public sentiment that delegitimizes them.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by david-gpu on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:03PM (#42534711)
Magnus didn't make FIDE enforce a particularly asinine interpretation of their own rules. If they wanted to, they could have issued a clarification or rectification in the 24 hours after the event, but they haven't.

Both parties could have handled this much better.

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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:07PM (#42534745)
> "a particularly asinine interpretation of their own rules"

It's pretty black and white.

    4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts,
    sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed
    in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or
    traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor.
Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by david-gpu on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:14PM (#42534797)
Thank you! I stand corrected. I had missed that portion of your quote.
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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:17PM (#42534830)
I apologize for twisting the knife but-- the proper thing to do would have been to research the rules at the source, not to make up stuff or repeat things from third parties.

Wish I had found that section earlier, but I'm less familiar with the chess regulations so it took me a bit to assemble all of the essential parts.

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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by david-gpu on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:21PM (#42534863)
> I apologize for twisting the knife but-- the proper thing to do would have been to research the rules at the source, not to make up stuff or repeat things from third parties.

Well, you are the one who posted the quote, which I used as the basis for my comment. I thought I had read it twice over, and saw no reference to jeans, hence my question. Not statement, question. I did not make anything up.

Did you by any chance add the relevant section of the rules to your comment after I asked a question? The proper thing to do would have been to quote the relevant portion of the rules, instead of adding that later.

So, no. Apologies not accepted. Sorry.

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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by Dylan16807 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:35AM (#42537818)
> the proper thing to do would have been to research the rules at the source, not to make up stuff or repeat things from third parties.

When you're the third party and they trusted your quoting skills, that criticism is pretty weak.

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