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Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:41PM (#42509940)
I dont plan to run for president or anything, but find myself increasingly censoring my online speech. I think the biggest risk is some out of context post being pulled into a civil suit, or professional cancellation following that.

Things like advice in an alcohol recovery forum would be prime evidence for a liability suit.

There are also groups that vacuum the internet for offensive posts, and use them to try to get people fired for things they said 10 years ago.

At this point, I assume all internet activity can and will be de-anonymized, and restrict my speech accordingly. I'm sure there are some meaningful precautions and nuances, but it is too much to keep up with.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by exabrial on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:58PM (#42510056)
It's a relatively new and novel thing for people your age to be able to look up anything online, to the point where it's scandalous.

This card will be played over and over again by politicians, influencers, prosecutors, police, etc, until the smartphone-from-birth generation reaches office. At that point, it'll be so easy to dig up dirt on anyone, people will just stop caring (as they should anyway).

We're just in a weird transition period right now.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @03:53PM (#42511093)
Im not so confident. Digital natives seem just as eager to apply purity tests as anyone, if not more so. Throwing rocks still feels good, even if everyone is living in glass houses. It was true in the 1300's when the saying was coined, and is still true today.[1]

https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expr...

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:04PM (#42510094)
There was a story, a couple of years ago, about a teacher who got fired, because she posted a picture on Facebook, holding a margarita, or something. She was on a vacation in the Caribbean.

One of the parents saw the post, and raised a stink.

Now that I'm retired, it doesn't really matter that much, but I do my best to behave well (this joint is pretty much the only place I post much). In the past, I was not so circumspect. In fact, I was a troll.

I remember once, signing up for Disqus, and they came back, and said something to the effect of "We found all these posts from around the Internet. Would you like to claim any as yours?"

Included, were some of the worst troll posts I'd made, many years ago, under the [obviously mistaken] assumption that they were anonymous.

I nuked the signup, and went and had a lie-down.

Since then, I have never bothered to try being anonymous. I probably could, if I wanted to, but I'd rather just stay public, and not say stuff that I'd regret.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by null0pointer on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @02:01PM (#42510473)
> try to get people fired for things they said 10 years ago

I assume the implication here is that the thing they said 10 years ago was less inappropriate back then. So how do you predict sensitivity changes 10 years in the future to limit your speech today? Even if you delete posts after, say 1 year, archives exist. Shouldn’t you just not say anything if you’re afraid of this? Maybe discussion of self-censorship like this will be taboo in 10 years and the ship has already sailed.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @06:08PM (#42511820)
I wasn't implying that it depends on sensitivity changes, although that is possible too. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

My thought was more about time and distance. Something can be unpopular or even wrong when it's first said too. People are dynamic and change over time. The mechanism of change is living their lives.

Taboos can change as well, so there is a motivation to steer clear of controversial topics in recorded media. You can use discretion to judge risk. It's unlikely that someone's going to fire you for discussing ice cream in 10 years.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by ryandrake on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @08:55PM (#42512601)
Yea, that's also a big danger: A totally innocent or trivial comment written today might be taboo in 10 years, and some future justice warrior is sure to dig it up and use it against you, and you have no idea what is going to be taboo. Maybe in the far future, owning pets will be taboo, and all the pictures of me and my dog are going to be dug up and used to shame me for violating an animal's sovereignty or something.

There is no way to know what people are going to get offended about in the future, but the clear trend is people getting offended about more and more things over time, rather than fewer and fewer things.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by dylan604 on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:54PM (#42510032)
> for things they said 10 years ago.

I don't think this is an automatic negative as you are implying. There's definitely lots of qualifiers involved though. There would have to be significant evidence to show that the sentiment expressed is still no longer held which could be more than problematic to prove. If it was someone up for supreme court justice that posted pics showing how much they liked beer and their antics as a party person could be shown as lack of maturity by comparing that they no longer drink now. Someone posting racist comments would be much harder as you don't really know if they've changed their view or just learned not to post publicly their views.

Edit: automatic negative should really read automatic disqualifier

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by II2II on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:19PM (#42510204)
That second example pretty much demonstrates why it is so dangerous. There were attitudes that were commonplace 30 years ago that are now considered racist, in many cases because they were racist, that people don't subscribe to today. I imagine the same can be said about 10 years ago. People's values change. We should not be giving them life sentences when the have reformed their attitudes and behaviors, otherwise the incentive to reform is taken away.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by idontlikeirc on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @11:05PM (#42513031)
One example of this I can think of is a show from the late 90's which used the word "spaz" very liberally, which was already iffy at the time but not fully demonized. Using it nowadays could be considered a major point of contention towards your image. Words like Gypsy and Retard are more recent inclusions in this field.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @11:56PM (#42513210)
When did spaz go out of favor? I was completely unaware it became taboo.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by Pigalowda on Thursday December 26, 2024 @07:34AM (#42514818)
It was deemed ableist by the White Knight Censorship company a few years ago. Something about cerebral palsy.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by iinnPP on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:01PM (#42510072)
I'm at a loss for how your example doesn't lead to automatically negative.

Don't post something harmless today that will be deemed a "dog whistle" in 2035 so that you don't have to prove a negative?

I don't mean to be critical here, it's a genuine ask.

And to add to the above, my post is the kind of post that would be gone. If I was taking a similar stance.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by dylan604 on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:09PM (#42510125)
Having the right/freedom to post anything you want does not mean there shouldn't be consequences for those posts later.

Age of post should just not be an automatic "but it was 10 years ago" get out of jail free card. If there's compelling evidence it was just a stupid thing someone did as a teen, then we can have that conversation. If it is a post from someone in some position of leadership that is 10 years old but was made in their 40s is not the same "I was an immature teen" situation.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by DaSHacka on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @02:01PM (#42510475)
Ah, so you're who GGP's talking about.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by yieldcrv on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:48PM (#42509980)
Being authentic is the ticket to public office now

I’m kind of glad that the value of blackmail futures has plummeted to zero

I always thought millenials would be the culprit because millennials have so much online, but nope, it was just old fashioned baby boomers that have spearheaded it and double down on their indiscretions to be the role models for the country’s top offices

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:00PM (#42510064)
I think that reality is much more heterogenous. Say some edgy or unpopular things 10 years ago, and they can still be shared with your boss and blasted across your employer's social media channels. The social consensus and average result doesn't preclude damage in some cases.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by dragonwriter on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:35PM (#42510318)
> Being authentic is the ticket to public office now

No, its not.

The preferred image may be more combative, aggressive, and anti-social than in the recent past, but as always adherence to it is more important than actual authenticity.

> I’m kind of glad that the value of blackmail futures has plummeted to zero

It hasn’t, though the value function for current negative information is different, so things that were once valuable for blackmail or otherwise harmful to public image are less so (and things that were not are moreso.)

> I always thought millenials would be the culprit because millennials have so much online, but nope, it was just old fashioned baby boomers that have spearheaded that double down on their indiscretions and are the role models for the country’s top offices

The only boomer I can think of that you might be talking about denies them constantly (even if there is past documentation of his acknowledging them in a general sense) and is supported by favor-currying media magnates who either actively promote propaganda favoring his messaging on that or, at a minimum, actively spike critical coverage.

And even within his movement and with the support of his cult of personality and the same favorable media, others in his orbit have often been less successful in having their indiscretions given a pass (see, e.g., Matt Gaetz’s nomination for Attorney-General of the United States.)

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by exe34 on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:51PM (#42510006)
"criminal activity?"

"no sir."

"for god's sake Baldrick, you're running for parliament. I'll put fraud and sexual deviancy."

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by echelon on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:51PM (#42510008)
Only for this cycle. The pendulum will swing back to cancelling and pitchforks after this era of cult of personality.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by dylan604 on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:57PM (#42510050)
what evidence do you have that this is true. at this point, a new theory of physics will be trotted out that shows a pendulum does not have to swing back. it will become trending on all the socials so that people believe. it therefore becomes the de facto truth, and the cult remains
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by yieldcrv on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:36PM (#42510323)
I don't really get that impression, in my experience people just realize cancelling is a two-way street and stop it

I’ve been told “I’m making someone uncomfortable” and I said “they’re making me uncomfortable”, and follow that up with “why are you privileging their discomfort over mine” and when they or the mob say something gendered or sexist as the explanation, then I get to cancel all of them or get a nice fat paycheck

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by EGreg on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @12:56PM (#42510041)
I thought canceling never stopped. It was just politically motivated.

(Ironically, Dems eat their own for that stuff, so maybe "politically motivated" doesn't quite capture it... compare e.g. Al Franken and Katie Hill vs Roy Moore or Matt Gaetz)

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:02PM (#42510086)
Democrats cancel and Republicans mostly double down. I don’t think there is anything Trump can do at this point to horrify or even just dissuade his base, for example.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by blooalien on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @01:27PM (#42510269)
> "I don’t think there is anything Trump can do at this point to horrify or even just dissuade his base, for example."

Pretty sure it's pretty close to true at this point that he actually could get away with literal cold-blooded murder in public at this point and his cult would fold themselves in half backwards tryin' to justify it somehow. [0]

[0]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-...

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by immibis on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @08:19PM (#42512467)
I mean, he supports the Gaza situation.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @10:16PM (#42512894)
Real Americans are pretty spit on the topic of Gaza. 36% of Americans favor the U.S. providing military aid to Israel. 34% oppose military aid, and the rest are neutral.

https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/views-of-the-u-s-role...

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by immibis on Thursday December 26, 2024 @12:28AM (#42513323)
I didn't say Trump was the only one who supported cold-blooded murder.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by saturn8601 on Wednesday December 25, 2024 @09:13PM (#42512660)
Yes and no. He has a clear mandate to fix price increases and inflation. If he doesn't he will lose the newcomers that held their nose voting for him. If he screws up big time he will be frozen in 26 and ride out his presidency having accomplished nothing. His core base that you are talking about was always a declining minority.
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday December 26, 2024 @01:32AM (#42513506)
That’s true. It’s even worse, though, since he promised a bunch of stuff that he can’t deliver or if he delivers (high tariffs, mass deportation), inflation will probably boom. Get the popcorn because the first month after 1/20 will be interesting (and maybe stock up on some electronics that are probably going to get really expensive).
Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by CRConrad on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @06:20AM (#42558039)
> Being authentic is the ticket to public office now

Yeah, if you can fake that, you've got it made.

Re:Sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username acr... by bjourne on Thursday December 26, 2024 @02:42AM (#42513709)
Herding is the best defense. If everyone who expresses opinions online do so non-anonymously it becomes much more difficult for the sleuths to target specific individuals. If everyone runs the risk of getting "sniped" for something taken out of context they wrote 10 years ago, the tactic becomes less effective.