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Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by EGreg on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:04PM (#42396104)
This is a silly take, I think.

The point is that people pay to have a genuine interaction. If everything is fake, why interact at all? Imagine you were typing into the void and no one saw what you said. Would you continue doing it if you knew? How about on this forum?

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by dragoncheats on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:01AM (#42396374)
I actually been in this exact scenario before. I and another friend were avidly into Hearthstone, and another third person was playing with an Hearthstone Cheat bot in an University study room. We asked to watch for a while.

After a while, some dread was setting in. We started asking questions:

* Why did it hover that card?

"To pretend it's human. The card has less than 10% playrate on that class"

* Did it... just spam the Well Met meme while going face?

"Of course. Because people do it"

* Wait it ropes the opponents?

"Yes. You can set it to rope back"

We kept seeing more and more behaviors. It would squelch noisy opponents. It would even tap the ground pretending to be a bored person. And then it hit me: 95% of Hearthstone players are bots. Every single human behavior that you could perhaps use to identify 'people', it faked.

I quit Hearthstone within that week.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by eastbound on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:49AM (#42396578)
People looking for dates on Tinder.

Yes more than 70% of Tinder profiles are already probably bots at this time. The CEO said they had an AI strategy.

People will be more and more lonely.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by femto on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:32AM (#42396773)
> People will be more and more lonely.

Or people might be less lonely. There will come a point where the online experience becomes worthless and people will place greater importance on face-to-face interaction. That's how it was 20 years ago.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by EGreg on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:08AM (#42399760)
Don’t worry, robots are coming for that too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogates

Will be very hard to tell the difference until you are intimate

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:50AM (#42400822)
Why surrogates wouldn't be able to function as teledildonic proxies for 'intimacy'?
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by EGreg on Monday December 16, 2024 @01:32PM (#42433819)
You'd be able to tell the difference.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by LargoLasskhyfv on Monday December 16, 2024 @02:24PM (#42434370)
Come on, how would you know the difference, if you'd grown up without ever have known the real thing?

To extrapolate the theme of that movie just a little bit further?

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by bboygravity on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:13AM (#42396683)
It's hard for me to understand how Tinder is not dead yet. One big pile of pop-up ads (even when you pay you get upsell popups) and some Chinese scammer bots.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by rjrdi38dbbdb on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:19AM (#42397297)
It's highly dependent on location. I use it while traveling, and yes in a few countries it's useless, but I've met 300-400 people over the last 7 years. It's added more value to my life than any other single app (even though I've never paid a dime for it).

For the record, I'm male, mid 30's, and average looking.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by itishappy on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:48PM (#42402044)
An average of 1 person per week over a period of 7 years? Impressive. Is it fair to assume you're using a relatively shallow definition of "value" here, or was there something else you had in mind?
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by aboardRat4 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:42AM (#42397098)
It's even more of a shame that OkCupid is dead. They had such a nice method, which was actually introducing good people to me.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by Tknl on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:56AM (#42397190)
I'd argue that what Match Group did with OKC was bordering on criminal. Everything on it worked and it worked for small, often marginalized groups. It was turned into a worse version of tender.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by bilvar on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:11AM (#42397888)
I met my wife through OKC, she's a lovely lady.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by riffraff on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:59AM (#42396885)
Why would you quit hearthstone over the presence of bots?

It's not like you have meaningful interactions with the other players anyway (beyond the occasional post-game friend request which has a 50/50 chance to be abusive).

(Honest question, I'm not arguing you're wrong)

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by rightbyte on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:45AM (#42397768)
In multiplayer games much of the fun in winning is someone else losing.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by botanical76 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:48AM (#42398099)
If you are just playing against bots, the challenge is arbitrary. What would top 10% actually mean? 5000 ELO? Albeit, the ranks are slightly arbitrary already as the matchmaking algorithm significantly influences your competitive experience. But you know when you get higher rank, you have proven you are better than increasing amounts of real players. If every person was actually playing a single player variant of the game (matched against bots), the reward for climbing the ranked ladder is significantly diminished.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by ZephyrBlu on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:28AM (#42397649)
> 95% of Hearthstone players are bots

Pure cope, but whatever helps you sleep better at night.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by boredhedgehog on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:01AM (#42397838)
> Every single human behavior that you could perhaps use to identify 'people', it faked.

Except, you know, actually playing the game well. The bots all play aggro decks and get lower than average winrates.

> I quit Hearthstone within that week.

Why? Their presence makes climbing the ladder easier, so you get more rewards.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by timeon on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:35AM (#42398004)
> I quit Hearthstone within that week.

So it had positive effect in the end. I wish I had something like this that would stop me use any social media.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by blitzar on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:59AM (#42398153)
> I wish I had something like this that would stop me use any social media.

We must be looking at different social medias as this is pretty much all I see.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by EGreg on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:50PM (#42403196)
Well, very soon you can quit the Internet LOL
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by account42 on Monday December 16, 2024 @06:46AM (#42430185)
Well unlike with modern multiplayer games where the matchmaking algorithm decides who you play with, on the Internet you can still choose what websites to visit.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by JSteph22 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:11PM (#42396140)
If I use AI to generate the text of a happy birthday greeting to grandma, if I review and approve of the message, is it genuine?
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by nosbo on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:32PM (#42396240)
I would say no.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by taberiand on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:47PM (#42396314)
What if you use it to give you ideas and you come up with your own greeting.

And then you generate one more, and it's the greeting you came up with.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by hamandcheese on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:13AM (#42396679)
Humans have been doing this long before AI. It's called Hallmark.

(and no, it's not genuine)

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by chongli on Thursday December 12, 2024 @06:23AM (#42398260)
Hallmark cards tend to leave a lot of blank space to write. It’s absolutely genuine when you grab a pen and start writing. Bonus points if the Hallmark message is relevant to the person receiving it and maybe something you can riff on in the handwritten part. Funny cards are also great!

So I would say the golden rule continues to apply: the more effort is visible, the more genuine it is.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by User23 on Saturday December 14, 2024 @02:38PM (#42418963)
You could even say that Hallmark is giving you a prompt.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by kergonath on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:03AM (#42396899)
If you paid someone to do it for you, is it genuine? Ghostwriting birthday cards is…quite grim, whether that’s an AI or not.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:39AM (#42397086)
To me, yes. Key point being, "if I review and approve of the message" - if you actually do this, then yes.

Being genuine is all about how much actual care and heart you pour into thing. That's really something only you can truly know. Using generative AI doesn't automatically make it not genuine, much like using a grammar checker or a thesaurus doesn't.

Conversely, not using AI tools doesn't suddenly make YouTube and OnlyFan creators' comments genuine. They never were. There is no care and heart in there, only salesmanship, and it's most likely outsourced to a brand management company anyway.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by strogonoff on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:41AM (#42397403)
I recently went to an interest group meeting. It begins with a presentation, which is generally confirmed in advance by the meeting organizer based on a text abstract of the planned presentation submitted by a future presenter. This time, the presentation turned out to be staggeringly bad, mostly consisting of filler words and interjections, and presenter was struggling to express even the basic idea. I could not fathom how that would happen, considering the idea was presumably expressed in the abstract.

At some point, the organizer (to help situation) quoted from the abstract that was submitted, and it was indeed apparently decently written. After that, I could not help thinking that the likelihood the abstract was written by an LLM is very high. In that case, the presenter certainly reviewed it, but crucially did not write it—the thought process that makes the idea part of your active vocabulary, and you capable of expressing it would not have taken place.

In fact, even if no LLM was involved in this particular case (perhaps it was just a particularly violent case of stage fright, despite the event being very small and the environment very casual), it would be beyond silly to assume that this would not be happening going forward.

I used to think that it is beneficial if an LLM can help in handling certain boring signaling communication for people who are very bad at it, acting as a sort of an equalizer. A model writes stuff, you approve it, and you gain access somewhere without having, say, the written language flair of someone who went to a prestigious school, or having to spend time on something that seems unnecessary.

I am changing my mind now. Sure, the case I have described is one of the more extreme ones, but it made me think how signals are actually signals for a reason, and when these signals go away the communication field does not become equalized—instead, other signals and barriers are used: money, IRL meetings, invitation, some sort of privacy-violating invasive check of humanity, etc., or the communication that relied on some signals before would simply not happen now. I personally do not see that as a positive thing.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by consp on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:51AM (#42397160)
Only if you also tell me you did. Then I know I'm not worth your time.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by tanewishly on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:52AM (#42396859)
Honestly, if more people wondered about who'll read what they write online, and whether it matters that those folks read it, the Internet would probably be a better place.

I really don't care about youtubers using tools like this. If it works for them and saves them time: great! If it reduces their level of authenticity: that'll lead to a correction of their popularity.

For OnlyFans... meuh. To me, the idea of interaction there reminds me strongly of the "adult" phone lines of old. You want someone to tease you and say naughty things to you? Well, you can get that for 99 cents/minute.

If you want to buy the attention of someone specific, when they can let someone/something else do that for cents on the dollar... don't be surprised to be tricked.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by FrustratedMonky on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:20AM (#42399307)
I think that is the point of this article.

On only fans people are paying extra for individual specific attention.

But AI can be good enough to fool people that are specifically looking for that experience.

Sure, free market view, if the automated chat isn't good enough then it will lead to people leaving. The point is, it is good enough.

Don't think anybody is complaining that people on only fans are being duped, maybe more concerning that if you can have realistic video and chat, and people are being fooled, then there is some wider impacts on society. Large chunks of people could get fooled by any number of relationships that aren't real.

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by pjc50 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @06:43AM (#42398364)
> pay to have a genuine interaction

If you're paying for it, how genuine is it really?

Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by bornfreddy on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:26PM (#42401190)
Depends on the price.
Re:OnlyFans Models Are Using AI Impersonators to Keep Up wit... by osigurdson on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:18AM (#42399292)
I wonder if signed content will ultimately be needed?