Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by aidenn0 on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:35PM
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Yes we can because if there are no ten-foot tall men, then it is indeed true that "All ten-foot tall men have brown hair"
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Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by aftbit on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:57PM
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It seems intuitively wrong that you can say "All X are Y" and yet that doesn't imply "At least one X exists".
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by titzer on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:10PM
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It also seems intuitively wrong that there are different sizes of infinity, yet Cantor discovered exactly that.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by scotty79 on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:13PM
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That's how math defined what "all" means. You can be talking about all elements of empty set without implying it must have some.
Basically it disentangled two unrelated concepts, that English language unduly mixes. Concept of every item having some quality and concepts of at least one item existing.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by njtransit on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:38PM
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That how we define "all" logically but not linguistically. For instance, linguistically we would consider this inconsistent: "all 10-foot men have black hair AND all 10-foot men have blonde hair" yet it is true, logically, if there are no 10-foot tall men. The translation of the English word "all" should be something something like: |Q| > 0 ∧ ∀x∈Q, x is ...
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by spencerflem on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:31PM
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In formal logic, but in regular English that would not be true
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by out_of_protocol on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:04PM
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If that is true then liar said truth.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by cafeinux on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:56PM
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And that's why we must conclude that there must be a ten-foot tall man, so it can have non-brown hair, so that the liar indeed lied.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by out_of_protocol on Monday December 09, 2024 @04:46PM
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Why liar can't lie about ten-foot tall man? Liar could mean two-inch hamster but lied and said ten-foot tall man