Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by aftbit on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:57PM
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It seems intuitively wrong that you can say "All X are Y" and yet that doesn't imply "At least one X exists".
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Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by titzer on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:10PM
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It also seems intuitively wrong that there are different sizes of infinity, yet Cantor discovered exactly that.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by scotty79 on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:13PM
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That's how math defined what "all" means. You can be talking about all elements of empty set without implying it must have some.
Basically it disentangled two unrelated concepts, that English language unduly mixes. Concept of every item having some quality and concepts of at least one item existing.
Re:A liar who always lies says "All my hats are green."
by njtransit on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:38PM
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That how we define "all" logically but not linguistically. For instance, linguistically we would consider this inconsistent: "all 10-foot men have black hair AND all 10-foot men have blonde hair" yet it is true, logically, if there are no 10-foot tall men. The translation of the English word "all" should be something something like: |Q| > 0 ∧ ∀x∈Q, x is ...