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Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by ungreased0675 on Thursday December 05, 2024 @11:28PM (#42336336)
If you aren’t doing anything wrong, what do you have to worry about?
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by sbalough on Thursday December 05, 2024 @11:47PM (#42336424)
Copy cat killers or just harassment? But, I guess the less smart perpetrators since it’s a public company and the info is in filings.
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 06, 2024 @12:46AM (#42336764)
Because innocent people have never been murdered?
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by zaik on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:45AM (#42337062)
Innocent people in the business of denying coverage to the sick and the dying.
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by PittleyDunkin on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:56AM (#42337112)
Lancet estimated 68,000 lives a year might be saved moving to a single payer system: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01406...

Surely not all that blood is on the hands of the CEO, or even UHC. But everyone has either been denied claims or knows someone that has, through some of the most disgusting treatment witnessable from corporate america. It'd be one thing if you were denied a claim for.... any variety of reasons that follow from the inherent difficulty of managing health insurance as many countries can attest to. But overriding doctor concerns to withhold funding for necessary treatment and withholding as much as possible while raking in profits leaves people with very bitter tastes in their mouths.

Mine included: I'm paying for a medical procedure for a friend next week because her insurance won't cover anesthesia and she can't afford the out of pocket. I had multiple relatives die much sooner than they had to because they were denied funding for critical medication. I've had multiple friends talk about "rationing insulin" (thankfully, both times referring to the past). And naturally healthcare interests—UHC included—lobby both parties heavily, so there's a lot of incentive to continue ignoring the elephant in the room.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:08AM (#42337182)
The job of health insurance is to vet and deny claims. Their pay is regulated and capped by law as a percent of benefits. The fewer benefits they provide, the less they make.

This is the system Americans have chosen. Im not saying its the best or shouldnt be improved.

Im for a public option, but there will still be rationing and denial of care. people will still die.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by kmoser on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:57AM (#42337458)
> This is the system Americans have chosen.

Said more accurately: this is the system chosen for Americans, against many of their wishes, by the officials some of them elected.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by EliRivers on Friday December 06, 2024 @04:57AM (#42338155)
Sure, that's the insurance company itself. One way around that is for the insurance company to own the medical providers they send people to, allowing them to keep more of the premiums by cycling them around other companies. United Health has been doing these "intercompany eliminations" for years, trailblazing this method of keeping ever more of the premiums.
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by scarecrowbob on Friday December 06, 2024 @11:57AM (#42341511)
I didn't choose it, it was chosen for me. And you can say "that's democracy", but it doesn't change the fact that "Americans have chosen" is wildly different than saying "I have chosen" and has radically different and wide-spread implications.

"People will still die" is the kind of thing narcissists and sociopaths tell themselves when they are pretty sure that the set of "people" does not include themselves.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by quickthrowman on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:02PM (#42342998)
> The job of health insurance is to vet and deny claims.

It would be nice if they did that consistently and fairly, but they don’t.

Using an AI to review and deny claims with a (claimed) 90% error rate or denying claims without reading them is not vetting, it’s straight up negligence and fraud.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate...

https://www.propublica.org/article/cigna-pxdx-medical-health...

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by hulitu on Friday December 06, 2024 @03:03PM (#42343739)
> This is the system Americans have chosen

Some (few) of them. In EU it is different.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by nozzlegear on Friday December 06, 2024 @03:26PM (#42344008)
> Some (few) of them.

The majority of American voters have chosen this system multiple times, and have voted for a president who has explicitly said he'll make this system worse by repealing the ACA. He almost did it the first time, too, and it only failed by one vote.

Maybe this UHC CEO event will get more people talking about healthcare, and ultimately get more people voting for candidates who want to improve the system next time around. I support a public option, so I hope it does. But I won't hold my breath.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by ZeroGravitas on Saturday December 07, 2024 @04:52AM (#42348565)
>has explicitly said he'll make this system worse by repealing the ACA.

No, he has literally said he would replace it with something better.

This is a lie, obviously.

But you can't then assume the people who voted for him were voting for the system to be worse.

Some fraction of them are likely desperately hoping it gets better and have just had their desperation taken advantage of.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by nozzlegear on Saturday December 07, 2024 @10:10AM (#42350261)
Good point, he didn't campaign on making the system worse and the way I phrased that made it sound like he did. He campaigned on repealing the ACA and replacing it with something better.

> But you can't then assume the people who voted for him were voting for the system to be worse.

At least in 2016, some of his voters that I knew personally just wanted the ACA to be gone and to have "freeloaders" kicked off of the system. They weren't voting to make it worse for themselves, per se, but voted vindictively to make it worse for others.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by jmye on Friday December 06, 2024 @11:50PM (#42347362)
Great, when are you going to blame the people who are actually, actively responsible? Are you going to start shooting the claims processors who push the button? Or is this just more deranged, terminally online teenagers screaming about things they don’t, even vaguely, understand as usual?

So tired of the dumbest people having the loudest voices online because populist bumper stickers work better than actual thoughtful commentary.

Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by wmf on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:00AM (#42336834)
The definition of "wrong" appears to be flexible.
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by _gmax0 on Friday December 06, 2024 @02:32AM (#42337306)
Hasn't it always been flexible?
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by Nasrudith on Friday December 06, 2024 @03:26AM (#42337627)
Yes, hence why "if you have nothing to hide" is infamously so stupid a phrase. You don't get to decide that, the accuser does and who the accuser is may vary and may in fact be utterly deranged by all normal points of view. You don't want the information out there period because it can only end in an especially twisted form of Pascal's Wager based upon who is in power at the moment. And that this is not in fact a paranoid hypothetical but something very real which has happened throughout history.
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by PittleyDunkin on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:45AM (#42337068)
The public reaction has been unsympathetic to the victim and unsurprised. I think the definition of "wrong" that plausibly inspired the shooter is widely-held.
Re:Health Insurance Companies Take Down Leadership Pages Fol... by blackeyeblitzar on Friday December 06, 2024 @01:56AM (#42337113)
The words written on the casings found on scene, “Deny Defend Depose”, is the name of a book that talks about the unethical and illegal practices of the healthcare industry. That book is “Delay, Deny, Defend”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay%2C_Deny%2C_Defend