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Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by JKCalhoun on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:58PM (#42314110)
Not particle board (as mentioned in the article) but sheets of inexpensive Chinese plywood I picked up had a very strong formaldehyde smell. I had never smelled that in plywood before (or at least so strongly).

I've sworn off particle board in my shop decades ago (for reasons having nothing to do with formaldehyde) but quickly added cheap Chinese plywood to the exclusion list.

I have resigned myself to opening my wallet for the expensive stuff (that costs over $100 for a 4' x 8' sheet, Europly, etc.). Europly at least seems to be formaldehyde free.

Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by billfruit on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @11:39PM (#42314529)
What about fabric/clothing, where formaldehyde seems to be used as a type of finishing agent.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by bottom999mottob on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:27PM (#42314244)
When we ripped out the carpet to install luxury vinyl flooring it was off-gassing for weeks. Had to go over the vinyl with dozens of microfiber clothes before the outside coating stopped wiping off.

Imagine all of the people cutting into that inexpensive wood without air filtration is terrifying

Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by pfannkuchen on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @12:02AM (#42314607)
What is luxury vinyl like? I can’t imagine vinyl being luxurious, but my personal taste is fairly hippy slanted so I tend to just ignore synthetic materials for anything pricey.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by majormajor on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @12:36AM (#42314724)
It's not "actually luxurious" so much as "it looks a lot less bad than old linoleum rolls" while still having high durability. Like how every new apartment is "luxury."
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by lostlogin on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:56AM (#42315688)
Actual linoleum is pretty neat and self healing to a degree. It’s also very heavy and very expensive.

It’s the plastic stuff that is a bit nasty.

Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by positr0n on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:13AM (#42314878)
Depends on how much you spend in it. And especially how much you spend in the underlayment for how it feels under your feet.

Even in expensive homes in my area it's common because it has a lot of nice properties. Homeowners will pay $15/sq ft, which at that price you could get a real wood floor installed, for LVP that looks pretty realistic, is easy on your joints due to the nice underlayment, and is basically as indestructible as a tile floor.

Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by seattle_spring on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:12AM (#42315145)
It's bonkers to me how well my LVP flooring has held up to the abuse my dog gives it. It still looks brand new 5 years later, while the solid wood used for the steps between levels began showing visible wear only a few months after installation.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by vundercind on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @09:18AM (#42317618)
> while the solid wood used for the steps between levels began showing visible wear only a few months after installation.

The wood used matters, and the way it's finished matters a lot, with hardwood floors. You can get anything between amazingly-resilient and scratches-badly-if-you-look-at-it-funny, depending on how it's finished.

Lots of contractors cheap out on the finish, and pre-finished hardwood is pretty much always bad.

Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by bluGill on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @09:52AM (#42317965)
I would never use anything else in a kitchen or bathroom - it looks pretty good, feels nice on the feet, doesn't care about a few spills, and if you drop a plate you have a chance it won't break. However for other rooms give me real hardwood.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by Spooky23 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:39AM (#42319191)
It looks like wood sort of.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by ta988 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @11:59PM (#42314602)
Look up what happens to all the workers cutting those famous rock countertops that are so much loved...
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by asdff on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @12:20PM (#42319624)
Well that was mainly for the workers who weren’t wearing their ppe which turned out to be a lot in that industry. PPE is important and not lame folks.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by asdff on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @12:19PM (#42319610)
Wow I would have ripped that flooring out if I could. Sounds like you turned your home into a superfund site for microplastics and vocs.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by malfist on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:02PM (#42314133)
You sparked my interest so I looked it up. Plywood in the US comes predominantly from China and Vietnam. I'm surprised I figured due to it's size and density it'd be mostly a local product
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by lazide on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:26PM (#42314241)
The ones I saw at local stores were all from Canada or US West. Do you have a link to the data?
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by forgetfreeman on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @11:01PM (#42314384)
Table on page 9 suggests the US imports just under a quarter of consumed sheet products like plywood and OSB. https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2023-11/US_FPMAR_2023-...
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by whizzter on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:32AM (#42315886)
There's laws at least in Sweden(and new EU directives incoming that might tighten them up even more) that forbids selling plywood with offgassing higher than a certain level, so it's probably not totally free of it but should be within safe levels.
Re:Formaldehyde Causes More Cancer Than Any Other Toxic Air ... by kemaru on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @10:02AM (#42318121)
The problem with the current EU-wide rating system is that it assumes the interior is ventilated as required by other regulations. Furniture materials are assigned an emission class (E0, E1, E2) based on the steady-state VOC concentration in the test chamber (EN 717-1 and others).

Virtually no home manages to hit the minimums for ventilation (25 m³/h per person, IIRC), especially during winter. So even though an E1-class particle board is labeled as safe with regards to VOC emissions, in practice the room will reach far higher pollution levels than that category allows.

It also doesn't control for the amount of material present, so you can have a small properly ventilated room covered floor to ceiling with E1 particle board furniture, but achieve E2 or worse VOC levels in the air.

Backstory: former employer spent $$ to integrate a VOC sensor into their residential HVAC/HRV solution. The idea was to increase ventilation when odors are present and reduce ventilation when the air was clean again. The engineer prototyped and tested the device in their pre-war home (brick, stone, old wood). All good. They had the first batch manufactured and sent out to customers in brand new homes full of modern materials (engineered wood, vinyl flooring etc). The sensors were permanently saturated (reading maximum VOC value) and the project ended up being canceled, because newly built homes were their entire customer base.