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Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:36AM (#42297184)
I've never liked "xenomorph" as a name for them. It's like calling them "serpentines" if they were snake-shaped or "quadrupeds" if they had 4 legs. So-called fandoms really are filled with stooges.

Should be something like Gigeroids.

Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by ruw1090 on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:59AM (#42297403)
The Xenomorph term wasn't created by the fandom. It was first used in-universe in "Aliens".
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by condour75 on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:37AM (#42297804)
But it’s based on a misunderstanding. Xenomorph just means “alien”— it wouldn’t make any sense for that to be the term for that specific alien, because their existence isn’t common knowledge.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by sigzero on Monday December 02, 2024 @12:06PM (#42298096)
It doesn't just mean "alien". It's a portmanteau or blend word. Only the xeno part means alien. The morph part describes its growth process.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by WorldMaker on Monday December 02, 2024 @03:09PM (#42299876)
It isn't a portmanteau, it's a classic Greek word construction (an ordinary expression of classic Greek morphology). "Morph" generally just means "shape" as a Greek root so "xenomorph" is more accurately "alien-shaped". Which gets back to it being a very generic term said in a fancy way (like "we don't even know if it is an alien, we just know it is alien-shaped"), like much technical and scientific jargon will do when it goes to constructing Greek words to describe something ("gynomorph" => "woman-shaped"; to call to a different sci-fi horror Species).
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:42AM (#42297864)
It's just an adjective. It would literally be like calling your aliens "humanoids". It describes a shape, literally "alien-shaped", probably because all the other animal-shape adjectives were inadequate.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by GMoromisato on Monday December 02, 2024 @01:26PM (#42298852)
I agree with this--if I understand you correctly.

In "Aliens", when Hudson (or was it Hicks?) asks, "is this another bug hunt?" the lieutenant says, (paraphrasing) "there may be a xenomorph involved".

I interpret this to mean that

(a) The marines have previously fought alien creatures of some kind (and they had no problem dealing with them).

(b) They used the term "xenomorph" to mean any alien creature--not specifically the titular alien, which they had never before encountered.

So I agree. Calling it "the Xenomorph" is a misunderstanding. At best it's like calling something "the Beast", or calling all ships of a certain size "dreadnoughts".

Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by bloopernova on Monday December 02, 2024 @07:02PM (#42301737)
The Marines also referenced sexual relations with "Arcturians" which might be human colonists or sentient aliens.

I really like your point about the Marines having fought/hunted/exterminated other "bugs". It casts their bravado in a different light. Even after seeing catastrophic damage from "acid for blood", the Marines are still very confident, which after beating other alien species, makes perfect sense. It's only when they get into the nest do they start getting scared.

Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by GMoromisato on Monday December 02, 2024 @09:18PM (#42302460)
I love the scene where the marines go in for the first time. They start out well-disciplined, well-trained badass marines, but things start to go wrong one by one. First, they have to put away their rifles (too close to the fusion reactor), then they see movement on the motion-detector but can't see anything ("Maybe they don't show up in infrared"). Once Apone gets killed, the entire unit falls apart. They come out shell-shocked and demoralized.

It's a great scene.

Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by tivert on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:46AM (#42297284)
> Should be something like Gigeroids.

Xenomorph sounds way cooler. That's what's important in a movie/toy franchise.

Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by actionfromafar on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:47AM (#42297300)
But they morph to resemble their hosts?
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by WorldMaker on Monday December 02, 2024 @03:28PM (#42300065)
The "morph" in "xenomorph" as a purely Greek scientific jargon construction mostly just means "shape". It is interesting in English "morph" as a verb has come to mean "change shape", and it is possible the users of the term in the franchise do intend that. But technically if that were the intended meaning it would be something closer to "xenotransmorph".
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by MrVandemar on Monday December 02, 2024 @07:24PM (#42301855)
The use of the term "xenomorph" in the film predates the development of the morphing technology, seen early on in Willow, The Abyss, and it largely entered popular perception after T2 in the early 90s. So: no.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by Apocryphon on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @03:02AM (#42303936)
Same morph as in polymorphism.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by kspacewalk2 on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:00AM (#42297421)
Should be [unpronouceable-mix-of-vowels-and-cosonants], which in their language means "actual people" or "true people". That seems to be the name of most of the ethnic and cultural groups on our planet. There are people (i.e. us) and there are "those funny looking weirdos over there" (i.e. them). No reason it would be different for space-faring slimy mutant thingies.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by dhosek on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:17AM (#42297637)
My favorite of these is the Czech word (and its cognates in other Slavic languages) for German, němec, is derived from the word for mute, apparently because on the Slav’s first contact with Germans, they found their speech so incomprehensible as to assume that these strange beings just couldn’t speak.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by 0x1ceb00da on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:46AM (#42297289)
Xenomorph sounds cooler.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by dylan604 on Monday December 02, 2024 @12:18PM (#42298206)
plus, it's gotta be a killer word score in Scrabble
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by corytheboyd on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:42AM (#42297862)
Rule of cool wins again
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Monday December 02, 2024 @10:46AM (#42297282)
Ahh, but you miss out on the 'cool' aspect embodied by letter X, the underlying meaning that effectively refers to the title of the movie and other things are likely going over my head. Gige prefix does not have the same impact. Alien in fake latin sounds a lot better.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by 1986 on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:02AM (#42297457)
Greek, not Latin
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Monday December 02, 2024 @11:06AM (#42297511)
Thank you for catching this. Will leave original in place.
Re:The zoology and biochemistry of xenomorphs from the Alien... by dylan604 on Monday December 02, 2024 @12:19PM (#42298220)
Yeah, if they used Z instead of X, the Brits would have said Zedenomorph and that's just not right in any language