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Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by dralley on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:13PM (#42208722)
>This creates a single point of failure, trading robustness for efficiency. There's nothing wrong with that, but software/ops might have to accommodate by making the opposite tradeoff.

I'll happily take a single high qualify power supply (which may have internal redundancy FWIW) over 70 much more cheaply made power supplies that stress other parts of my datacenter via sheer inefficiency, and also costs more in aggregate. Nobody drives down the highway with 10 spare tires for their SUV.

Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by hn-throw on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:25PM (#42208819)
Let's say your high quality supply's yearly failure rate is 100 times less than the cheap ones

The probability of at least a single failure is 1-(1-r)^70.

This is quite high even w/out considering the higher quality of the one supply.

The probability of all 70 going down is

r^70 which is absurdly low.

Let's say r = 0.05 or one failed supply every 20 in a year.

1-(1-r)^70 = 97% r^70 < 1E-91

The high quality supply has r = 0.0005, in between no failure and all failing. If you code can handle node failure, very many, cheaper supplies appears to be more robust.

(Assuming uncorrelated events. YMMV)

Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by carlhjerpe on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:32PM (#42208883)
Yeah but the failure rate of an analog piece of copper is pretty low, it'll keep being copper unless you do stupid things. You'll have multiple power supplies provide power on the same piece of copper
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by hn-throw on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:16PM (#42209249)
TL/DR, isnt there a single, shared, DC supply that supplies said piece of copper? Presumably connected to mains?

Or are the running on SOFCs?

Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by mycoliza on Thursday November 21, 2024 @06:10PM (#42209634)
The big piece of copper is fed by redundant rectifiers. Each power shelf has six independent rectifiers which are 5+1 redundant if the rack is fully loaded with compute sleds, or 3+3 redundant if the rack is half-populated. Customers who want more redundancy can also have a second power shelf with six more rectifiers.
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by hn-throw on Thursday November 21, 2024 @09:35PM (#42210664)
I'm going to assume this is on 3 phase power, but how is the ripple filtered?
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by applied_heat on Friday November 22, 2024 @01:24AM (#42211584)
Inductors and capacitors usually
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by fracus on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:31PM (#42208878)
No one drives down the highway with one tire either.
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by AcerbicZero on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:34PM (#42208899)
Careful, unicyclists are an unforgiving bunch.
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by shivak on Thursday November 21, 2024 @04:53PM (#42209079)
A DC busbar can propagate a short circuit across the rack, and DC circuit protection is harder than AC. So of course each server now needs its own current limiter, or a cheap fuse.

But I’m not debating the merits of this engineering tradeoff - which seems fine, and pretty widely adopted - just its advertisement. The healthcare industry understands the importance of assessing clinical endpoints (like mortality) rather than surrogate measures (like lab results). Whenever we replace “legacy” with “cloud”, it’d be nice to estimate the change in TCO.

Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by malfist on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:59PM (#42209567)
DC circuit protection is absolutely not harder than AC. DC has the advantage in current flowing in only one direction, not two
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by paddy_m on Thursday November 21, 2024 @07:02PM (#42209948)
Which makes it much harder to break the circuit vs AC
Re:Oxide Cuts Data Center Power Consumption in Half by wbl on Thursday November 21, 2024 @09:16PM (#42210571)
At 48 volts arcing shorts aren't the concern.