Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by richardwhiuk on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:08PM
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Printing money wouldn't work - you just make all of the existing money less valuable.
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Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by Schiendelman on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:09PM
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That doesn't mean the new money doesn't have value, just has a small percentage less value. It's a wealth transfer from people who currently have money to the new money. It works out well for people who have a negative net worth, as well!
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by lotsofpulp on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:19PM
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It is a wealth transfer from people who currently have cash and earn cash (workers, since increases in pay lag the rate at which currency loses purchasing power) to people who have assets and COLA adjusted annuities (wealthy people and old people).
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by Schiendelman on Sunday November 17, 2024 @06:12PM
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Assets and cola adjusted annuities also lag. They may lag less, but that's a discussion to have.
Real median wages have gone up more than inflation has over the last few years. It's just not evenly distributed.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by kreetx on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:11PM
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Yeah, the salaried folk who find out in hindsight will be really happy as well. /s
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by Schiendelman on Sunday November 17, 2024 @06:12PM
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I don't think sarcastic comments really help, people who aren't capable of having real conversations about this already bring enough of that. It is definitely worth talking openly about whether it's worth trading short term inflationary pain for long-term climate pain.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by kreetx on Monday November 18, 2024 @08:17AM
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I guess you're right. The parent speaks of inflation as if printing money is the new norm. If you are going to take money from your citizens then be upfront about it!
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by Schiendelman on Monday November 18, 2024 @09:04AM
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All the money we have was printed. Printing money has always been the norm, it's just a matter of how much - at what rate.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by kreetx on Monday November 25, 2024 @06:01AM
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You can print but still have a cap, see Bitcoin.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by Schiendelman on Sunday December 01, 2024 @08:45AM
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We do have a cap. It's not even clear to me that the federal government prints more slowly than bitcoin as a percentage of issued currency.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by jjallen on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:22PM
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You are essentially forced borrowing from the cash holders of the printed currency. So yeah it would work. Wouldn’t necessarily be fair or popular; but it would work. Just have to account for the new money also being worth less because of the increase in the denominator of this equation.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by kelseyfrog on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:10PM
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It actually would even if it made existing money less valuable. Econ 101
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by ajross on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:19PM
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It wouldn't work linearly, but it still works. If you print 10% of your GDP in a year, you'll be sitting on only 1/11th of the GDP in cash at the end of the process.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by kylebenzle on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:11PM
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Ever heard of quantitative easing?
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by baq on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:20PM
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Look at Covid fiscal response causing permanent 30% inflation in the last 4 years. The climate+demographic response money printing operation will be way bigger than that.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by czinck on Sunday November 17, 2024 @03:00PM
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Most of the inflation from the last 4 years is attributable to Russia invading Ukraine. You can't have the largest natural gas exporter and second largest oil exporter invade one of the largest grain exporters without causing basically everything in a supermarket or restaurant to be more expensive.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by switch007 on Sunday November 17, 2024 @04:16PM
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Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by therealdrag0 on Sunday November 17, 2024 @03:40PM
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Also shipping interruptions and lockdowns. Giving people money to not work is goin to have a much larger inflationary effect than giving people money to build things we want.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc...
by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 17, 2024 @03:49PM
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Source? America is a natural gas exporter.