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Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by mmooss on Monday November 11, 2024 @06:31PM (#42111386)
At least one concept of it is that officers (and NCOs and maybe others) are expected to succeed when the 'book' is insufficient. Following the manual is not nearly enough.

Warfare is chaos; unexpected things happen; the manual is one input but people are expected to take initiative and overcome problems with or without it. It's not extra credit, it's a baseline expectation for the job. Also, this person is a colonel, not a second lieutenant.

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by KennyBlanken on Monday November 11, 2024 @07:37PM (#42111769)
This and the fact that he didn't make the slightest attempt to work around it.

He had a flyable plane with plenty of fuel, a functioning backup radio and instruments he could have verified primaries against or just switched to, and even failing everything else, he could have verified against what the tower saw on radar for speed, heading, altitude, etc...and then asked the tower to get him to his wingman, and then followed his wingman in.

Instead he decided "HUD freaking out, that means I can't trust my instruments, that means I'm in immediate danger! PUNCH OUT!"

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by unyttigfjelltol on Monday November 11, 2024 @08:41PM (#42112067)
The article states he was at 1,900 feet in heavy rain with nonfunctional instument panels. He was there, he's got the experience, and he ejected (which is dangerous too).

Maybe the commandant of the Marines would have liked a better headline, but another way of looking at it is the pilot lost his video server and really needed a functioning screen. I just threw away a video card in exactly the same scenario, and I felt I was troubleshooting far too long as it was. Maybe the commandant wanted the pilot to troubleshoot on the ground? But the computer was not any better after it hit the ground.

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by db48x on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:01PM (#42112159)
> with nonfunctional instrument panels

This is incorrect. He lost his HUD and the primary flight display, but not the standby instruments. Those are intended as a backup in case the other systems fail, and they did their job and kept operating. You can't use them to fire missiles or keep track of enemy anti–air radar systems, but you can use them to fly the plane, avoid terrain, and land safely. And he didn’t even check to see if they were still working before he ejected.

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by ethagknight on Monday November 11, 2024 @10:46PM (#42112610)
>> However, the report said its standby flight display and backup communication system “remained basically functional.”
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by bergen on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:31AM (#42113517)
The interesting thing here would be to find out what "basically" means in that context.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by ethagknight on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @06:19PM (#42131311)
Probably functional enough that a veteran pilot would know how to operate the plane
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by Aeolun on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:22AM (#42113024)
> HUD freaking out, that means I can't trust my instruments, that means I'm in immediate danger! PUNCH OUT!

Isn’t that indicative of what an absolute shitshow of a plane it is?

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by db48x on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:11AM (#42113227)
Eh, it was struck by lightning. It lost several non–critical systems as a result. Both the HUD and the primary flight display turned off and came back on a few seconds later. Both showed numerous error messages and warnings when they came back on. Both failed a second time before he could read or understand all of the warnings. It was certainly suboptimal, but not necessarily indicative of a poorly designed or engineered aircraft. The report had several recommendations that were redacted; probably at least one of those was recommending specific fixes to make the display systems more reliable in the event of a lightning strike, or to make them recover more gracefully.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by kzrdude on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @07:17AM (#42114940)
How was the pilot impacted by the lightning? Maybe he had a few systems shaken up as well
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:37AM (#42113087)
There's a story of a fighter pilot, flying on instruments on a rainy night, who noticed his altimeter was reading level, artificial horizon level, but his speed was climbing even with the throttle steady. He immediately pulled the ejection handle, having correctly deduced that both altimeter and artificial horizon were were broken and he was plummeting towards the Atlantic. The plane impacted a few seconds later.

Different situation, obviously, but at least sometimes immediate ejection is the correct response to "HUD freakout at low altitude in bad weather."

(It was Brian Udell, the details are a little more complicated than I remembered but still. https://www.ejectionsite.com/insaddle/insaddle.htm)

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by kaliqt on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:35AM (#42114374)
While those cases do certainly exist, this was not the case here, he had time to troubleshoot and determine if his backup instruments were working or not.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by llm_trw on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:03PM (#42112173)
I wasn't aware we were at war.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by zeusk on Monday November 11, 2024 @11:17PM (#42112766)
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by Y_Y on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:06AM (#42113924)
I feel like terrorism is about to give up and come to the negotiating table though.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by lazide on Friday November 15, 2024 @03:56AM (#42145086)
Any day now…..
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by zdragnar on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:14PM (#42112210)
Train like you fight, because you will fight like you train.

You don't need to be at war for a soldier to prepare for it.

Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by kelnos on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:15PM (#42112215)
I'm not sure the last time we were not at war, unfortunately.
Re:Marine pilot loses command after ejecting from F-35B that... by mmooss on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:30PM (#42112280)
In peacetime, the military organizes, trains and equips for wartime.